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I'll put a picture of YOUR unusual Put & Take tops on this page. Email me a picture of it, and I'll add it to this page, along with your name or initials if you like. ... Or email me if you have any Put & Takes for sale. ... Or just email me to discuss Put & Takes. Thanks. |
RIGHT-CLICK THE MUSIC NOTES so
that while you are viewing this page,
you will be entertained by hearing
the 1929 "Put and Take" jazz-swing
musical composition performed by Joe
Venuti's Blue Four, Eddie Lang on guitar.
(Click here
for more information about the musical piece.) Even better is this delightful ditty (lyrics and instrumentals), "Put and Take," sung here by Harry Fay. More on Fay's song below. |
Click
here to see
my web page: Put & Take Historical Timeline
in Pictures. |
1. Introduction and history back |
What
is a Put & Take? Basic Rules and Spinners Players ante into a pot and take turns
spinning the
top. Any number of players may play.
If the top lands with T1 showing
(or "take one"), T2 or T3, the
player who spun it would win (take)
1, 2 or 3 chips, respectively,
from the pot. If
it landed with the star or �Take
All� showing, he would take all
the chips from the pot.
If it landed P1 (or "put one"), P2 or P3, he would
lose (put) 1, 2 or
3 of his chips, respectively, into
the pot. If it landed "0" or
�Put All� or �All Put,� each player would contribute
one chip to the pot. The top would pass to the next player
after each spin. (There are many rule variations. For example,
"Put All" could mean that the spinner matches the pot!)
..... ... Put & Takes were usually about 1-1/8" long,
weigh 16 grams and made of brass, like the three tops shown below.
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6-sided tops, like the one at the left,
are much more common than 8-sided
ones. The commands on the six sides
are usually in words. And to
read the words, you hold the top sideways. The
commands are usually: take all, all put, take
two, put one, take one, and put two. |
8-sided tops, like the two typical ones on
the left, have smaller sides than
the 6-sided ones so the commands are in
single letters, numerals, and symbols such as
stars (*) and zeros (0). To read them, you hold
the top upright. The one on the far left has these outcomes on the 8 sides: * (star means take all), T3, P1, T2, 0 (zero means all put), P3, T1, and P4. The one on the near left has these sides: TA (take all), P3, T2, P1, AP (all put), T3, P2, T1. |
Origins
and brief history.
(I have prepared a timeline on the
development of the Put & Take here.)
Put and Take is one of many
forms of Teetotums, which are any gaming
spinning top. According to the Encyclopedia
Britannica article
on teetotums, "the hexagonal
(six-sided) teetotum was
known to the ancient Greeks and Romans."
The earliest teetotums were used
as a substitute for dice, so the sides
of the top would be numbered, usually 1 to 6. The Dreidel
(a four-sided spinner with Put & Take-like instructions
on the sides) was developed in 16th century Germany.
Put & Take tops, like the standard brass
one pictured just above, originated
in America and were
very popular from the early
20th century to about the 1940�s.
The tops were widely attributed to be developed
and popularized by the doughboys in the trenches
of World War I. They could be
carried in ones pocket and used anytime
in a bar, army barracks or other
gathering place for an impromptu gambling
session. Each player would contribute
chips, coins or currency to
a pot. I have found 1921 to be the
earliest use of the term "Put & Take." The spread and popularity of Put & Takes was a true "craze," a term applied to Put & Takes even then. The Put & Take craze enveloped the world in the 1920s and 30s, as seen everywhere in games, newspaper stories, songs, plays, movies, punchboards, and reform movements to outlaw the spinners and games. The heyday was especially seen in 1921 and 22 (I refer you again to the timeline.) There is the 1921 silent movie "Put and Take", a 1921 "Put and Take" Broadway show and song, at least five American patents regarding Put and Take taken out between 1920 and 1940, and even a 1929 "Put and Take" jazz swing composition. Listen to this grand old 1922 English music hall song on YouTube, "Put and Take," sung by Harry Fay. (Words to song, here.) An Australian gambling-related web site says, "the Western world�s game of put-and-take [is] rarely encountered since the 1930s. ... I suspect that the reason for the ... disappearance ... from the English and American gambling scene is that too many loaded tops were being used. In other words, there was a great deal too much putting by novices and taking by cheats." (See here for information about gaffed Put & Take tops.) But Put & Take exists today. There is a casino game "Put and Take" that uses playing cards instead of a spinner!; here and here too. Today, there are also grifters hustling people with crooked Put & Take dice, as reported here. And of course, there are virtual Put & Take aps where you can design your own game; here too. Free Google ap here too. Now-a-days there are too many manifestations of Put & Takes games and rules to mention on this page, which is dedicated to vintage items. Links to history of teetotums and Put & Takes. Here are some historical informative links on the subject of Put and Takes. They also provide information on the letters (P, N, D, etc.) and initials (NG, ZS, TA, etc.) found on many, especially old, Put & Takes, teetotums, etc: � Wikipedia Teetotum article . It gives the Latin abbreviations on the sides of teetotums. � Waterloo Univ. ELLIOTT AVEDON VIRTUAL MUSEUM OF GAMES: Dreidel - Put & Take - Teetotum . � Game: TEETOTUM -- (Detail from Brueghel's Painting) . � The Chanukah Dreidel (Dreidle) . Here too for dreidel information. � Short picture history of tops. . Links to other Put & Take websites: � Marianne Jager . � ARJAN VERWEIJ: click here, here, and here. � Maxim . Also here. � Justin Michell � Kevin Cook � Gerrit Veldhoen YouTube videos about Put & Takes and other spinning tops: � fine 7.5 minute video showing wide variety of tops and spinners, even a few Put & Takes. � cheating/hustling with Put & Take dice. � app for iPhone/iPod to put your own sides/commands on a digital spinner, thus making your own game. � 3-year-old boy playing with a spinning top. � short video of a bi-level Crown & Anchor spinner in action. � jazz-swing music: 1929 "Put and Take" composition performed by Joe Venuti's Blue Four. � 15 second video -- Self-made teetotum for kids; neat toy spinner. � showing manufacture of the tops, Lawson & Co. Also here. � manfacture of tops today . Rules of Play. Players ante into a pot and take turns spinning the top. If it landed T1, T2 or T3, the player who spun it would win (take) 1, 2 or 3 chips, respectively, from the pot. If it landed with the star or �Take All� showing, he would take all the chips from the pot. If it landed P1, P2 or P3, he would lose (put) 1, 2 or 3 of his chips, respectively, into the pot. If it landed "0" or �Put All� or �All Put,� he would have to match the pot (the rule given in John Scarne's "Scarne on Dice.") or lose all his chips or each player would have to contribute to the pot, depending on the rules. I have one set of rules where a land on "0" would mean just that the top passes to the next person. By far, the most common rule is for all the players to add one chip to the pot if "O", "All Put," etc. lands face up. Source of pictures of spinners for this page. In the pictures below are some of the over 100 Put and Takes in my collection, plus some horse racing and dice tops. Also included are many put and takes that I do not own, pictures taken from eBay listings. Make your own Put & Take out of cardboard. Look here, here and here, from a site about Spanish language put and takes. You can improve/restore the spinning ability of tops. Look here 1921 New York Times news story of Women's Christian Temperance Union denouncing Put and Takes by name. 1921 Illustrated London News article -- a full page picture and article entitled "PUT AND TAKE CRAZE : A SUBSITUTE FOR PITCH AND TOSS." It says there that "Put and Take ... is a new game from America"! 1921 "Ripley's Believe or Not" column on current Put & Take rage -- it had some wrong historical information, but said, "Of course you play that new game of the spinning top called Put and Take? It is the newest and latest craze to tempt our gambling instinct, and is all the rage all over the country. Well, you will be surprised to know that it is one of the very oldest games in the world." To see it, click here and here. |
Pictured above
are the most common type
of Put and Takes. They
were usually
small, about an
inch high, and made of brass.
They can be distinguished
from each other in a
variety of ways, as is apparent
on this page. � 6-sided ones: groups (bags) "5" and "7," above, are 6-sided tops, and as such invariably have words on the sides and must be read with the top lying on its side -- the words are lined up with the stem of the put and take top (go in the same direction as/are parallel to the length of the stem) . These invariably have words (like "put two") on the sides, not short-hand "P2", "T1," etc. � 8-sided ones: groups "2", "4" and "6" above are 8-sided tops, and as such invariably do not have full words on the sides, just a letter, star and/or number, and to view/read them, you must hold the top upright. I have never seen an 8-sided one with words on the sides, just T1, TA, P2, etc.... ... .... I find that the 6-sided ones are more common than the 8-sided ones. � bi-level: in group "1" and "3" the tops are "bi-level." That is, there are two independently moving parts. In "1" the P's and T's are on the top level and the amounts (1, 2, 3, etc.) are on the lower level. Also in "1," some of the tops represent two dice. In group "3," generally the pay-off odds are indicated in the top level, and the name of a horse is on the bottom level; the horse-betting ones have the name of famous race horses and were copyrighted in the 1920's. � serifs: in groups "4" and "5," the letters have no serifs (those short, fancy hanging lines at the ends of the letters, like the letter "T" here), while in groups "2" and "7" there are serifs. � The tops in group "6" are made of sterling. � The tops in "2", "4" and "6" are 8-sided. The others are 6-sided. |
Things
to look for in cataloging your Put
& Takes:
1. material of the tops -- all metal (pewter, copper, brass, silver), all plastic, all wood, etc., or combination of materials. 2. number of sides -- 6 or 8, usually. 2a. words/letters read with the stem being upright (invariably, 8-sided put & takes) OR with the stem held horizontally (invariably, 6-sided put & takes). 3. words (eg., "take all") OR letters (eg., "TA") on the sides. 4. smooth handle/stem OR knurled/serrated handle/stem. 5. do the letters have serifs or not? 6. when you read words on the sides (almost always the six-sided ones) is the handle on the right or the left? (It is almost always on the right.) 7. solid put & takes, OR bi-level ones (very rare -- see tops #7 and #8 in the large table below). 8. are the words/letters printed, engraved, or embossed (rare)? 9. the particular words/letters on the sides and the order they are in. 10. any name on the spinner (advertising name or maker's name)? |
These are other
miscellaneous
metal Put and
Takes. A number
of them are sterling.
Note the
different sizes. One
near the upper left
is a pin. The dark one
near the upper
right is a cube-shaped
metal Put and Take.
Just below it is
a 4-sided top. The two at the lower
right and lower left
have internal spinning
dials. The reddish
one near the top has
a needle and thread inside. |
These Put and Takes
are non-metal. About
half are made
of catalin;
others bone, wood,
celluloid and ordinary
plastic. Some
are bi-level. Three
of them are mechanical
lead pencils that are
to be rolled
for the Put and Take effect.
Two of the tops
are celluloid advertising
pieces -- one touts
Manbeck's Bread ("A winner
everywhere"); the
other says "You don't gamble
when you buy Trenton Crackers."
The
white 4-sided one at
the bottom is made of ivory.
The one next to it is
4-sided wood. The
red one next to it is plastic
with a compartment for solid
perfume. |
Earliest 6-sided Put and
Take I know of -- pictured above on the left
-- 18th-19th century, per auction house.
� left -- I thank Marianne Jager, of the Netherlands, for the above picture of her ancient Put and Take spinner and the following informatrion. She says, "In the Netherlands 18th �19th century they made spinners from silver, like in the picture. The letters and text are old Dutch. Lengh 3.2 cm, weight 6.8 gram "The letters on each of the 6 sides: A - only take B - to pay N - nothing to take T - take D - double put S � put." She adds, "The letters on the sides are difficult to read, old fashioned Dutch," so she is giving an approximate translation. "Anyway, the letters stand for put and take, inclusive: nothing (spin again?) and double.... , like the spinners we all know. That much is for sure." In a reference work, she found, "... about women in the beginning of the 18th century ... had little games ... . Spinning with the a-al-top was one of the games. The top has 6 letters: A (al = take all), B (bij = add?), S (set=put), T (trek= take), D (dubbel=double) and N (niet=not, nothing)." None of this should be surprising, what with the Teetotum gambling top being known in ancient Greece and the Dreidel (put and take instructions on the four-sided spinner) being developed in 16th century Germany -- source here . � right -- Similar one, but 4-sided. Another similar one: click here. |
Salesman's Sample Case
of ten ivory spinners including one 6-sided Put & Take at the
lower-right and a 4-sided teetotum Put & Take (A, D, N, T) at the
upper-right.
This set went for $8064 (including buyer's premium) at the Potter and
Potter, Chicago, auction on May 21, 2016. Double-hinged display
box made of wood, felt lined. |
|
"The Put
and Take Craze:
A Substitute For "Pitch
and Toss" -- a page in the December 10, 1921 "Illustrated London News." Click here to read an enlargement of the text at the bottom of that page. One of the most surprising (to me) things said there is: "'Put and Take' .... is a new game from America that has captured London." The text there says: "With a scout ready to cry �copper!� [policeman] � boys in a pavement, gamble with a �put and take�(or, �sanfarian�) top (shown here, actual size [on that Illustrated London News page]).So if the game was also known as Sanfarian (a word of French derivation) in the UK, and is of American origin, it likely migrated to the U.K. through British WW I troops. |
This is
the only movie
lobby card I know of that shows a
put and take, and two put &
takes are shown on the lobby card! The
lobby card is from the 1922 silent
film, "Forsaking All Others."
Below the lobby card I show an enlarged
close-up of the spinners. Nothing can be read
from the lower left (white) put and take,
but the upper right
one's two sides can be read. You
can read them too if you
look close -- "TAKE ALL" and "PUT 3." |
These are combination
games that include
Put and Take (also
called Plus
and Minus
on one). The
bottom one is made
of wood. It is,
among other things,
a roulette wheel. It
is 14" in diameter,
was copyrighted
1933 by the Cardinal
Co., Dallas, Texas. |
Some of the
collection of Marianne Jager of
the Netherlands,
picture sent to me in June 2012. |
Put
and Take Collections and Collectors |
|
Click the picture on the left
to see the enlarged picture of part
of the put and take collection
of Barrie M. of Wales, UK. -- 52 spinners!
His total collection was about 250 tops. |
|
Click the picture on the
left to see the enlarged picture of part of the
put and take collection of Marianne Jager of the Netherlands.
-- 78 spinners! .... . Click
here to see
more of her Put & Takes at her collection
web page. .... Click
here to see all of Marianne's metal spinning tops as of April 2013. Click here to see her Put & Takes as of December 2013. |
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Click the picture on the
left to see the enlarged picture of
the 350 put & take-spinners-perinolas collection, as of December 2012, of Enrique Orschanski, from Cordoba, Argentina. Here is a link to his web album of spinning tops. |
|
Click
the picture on the left to see the enlarged picture of
the put & take spinners of Gerrit Veldhoen of Netherlands, as of January
2014. Click here to view his website. And click here and here to see artistic designs Gerrit made with his put & takes. |
Click
the picture on the left to see the enlarged picture of
the put & take spinners of Perry B. of Manchester, U.K., as of June 2018. |
2. Put
and Takes -- English
language, vintage (click here to be directed to that separate page) |
3. Put
and Takes -- Non-English
language, vintage (click here to be directed to that separate page) |
4. Bi-level, Tri-level Spinners: all types, all
languages back |
Crown and Anchor put and take top. I
now own one of these. The one pictured above was sold on eBay
in June 2006 for
$254. Seller was from United Kingdom.
The description said in part, "This is a vintage 6-sided brass spinner (or wobbler). It looks similar to a 'Put & Take' spinner, but is in two sections - the top section can be spun independently to the bottom part. The top part has numbers (1, 7, 2, 5, 3, 9). The bottom part has card suits (heart, spade, club and diamond) plus a crown and an anchor. On the top has 'Patent 33471.' It measures approx 1.25" I later acquired one in 2006 for about $100 in a private sale. They are rather small -- about 1-1/4" high and about 1/2" wide. The top (odds) part moves rather freely. I learned that it takes a certain technique to get it to spin properly. At first I thought it would never spin. Then I got it to spin properly about 1 time in 15. Finally, I found the technique: you have to (1) press it down firmly against the surface, (2) make sure it is upright; and (3) then twist it. It spins for quite a long time. |
More neat bi-level
ones. Left (the tan one): Looks like
the bottom part, at least,
is made of a type of plastic. It went for $194 at auction March 2015. Middle (the yellow one): seller says, "Celluloid Put & Take Teetotum Gambling Top - 1920's. This is a really nice old celluloid Put and Take teetotum featuring famous horses of the 1920's. The horses depicted are Man O� War, Spark Plug, Zev, Colin, Greylag and Morvich. The top has six sides and a separately rotating top portion with the odds on it (1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 5-1, 4-1 and 10-1). The top measures approx 2-1/4" high including the brass handle. The celluloid part is approx 1-3/8" high. Condition is excellent showing very little wear or damage." Right (the white one with the odds missing): I just bought the top on the right, Oct 2013. It is virtually the same as the other two. It is made of hard plastic, maybe solid bakelite, on the outside. The sides are in the same order as cited in the above paragraph. All three have the same "nipple" bottom. It is in great shape OTHER THAN MISSING THE UPPER LEVEL, THE ODDS PART PLASTIC COLLAR! However, with the odds part missing, I can see eight small ball bearings inside the upper level part. Very heavy at 66 grams! There must be much metal inside. It looks nice and well made, but hardly spins at all -- it flops about virtually every time you attempt to spin it. |
Two plastic celluloid bi-level racehorse tops, 8-sided.
I own both.
As best as I can, I show the year of birth of the horse named on each
side. Horses came into their prime in about their 2nd, 3rd and 4th
year. The years should aid in guessing the year the top was made. � the one on the left went for $129 at auction March 2015 on eBay. It is 1-1/2 " high, weighs 8grams. It is all-plastic with celluloid-like grain lines. The upper odds level is blue (though picture looks black). The 8 sides are in this order: Zev 1920, Mate 1928, G-Fox (old Connecticut USA department store--19th century-20th), Era ?, P-Lap (? Phar Lap famous Australian horse born1926), Mona ?, 20-GR ?, Wirt ?. The odds are: 1-1, 5-1, 2-1, 6-1, 3-1, 10-1, 4-1, 15-1. � the one on the right (the red one) went for $97 at same auction. It is almost 1-3/4" high, 10 grams. It is plastic with what looks to be a gray wood handle. The 8 sides are in this order: Zev 1920, Flicka ?, Colin 1905, Homer ?, Omaha 1932, Stymie 1941, Pavot 1942, Pompey 1923. The 8 odds are, in this order: 2-1, 4-1, 8-1, 12-1, 10-1, 5-1, 3-1, Dis (for Disqualified). (Flicka is Swedish for girl! Maybe a Swedish owner or horse.] I believe these are early 20th century American horses (1920s-40s). ... .. Mate was an American Thoroughbred racehorse best known for winning the 1931 Preakness Stakes... .... Pavot was an American Thoroughbred Champion racehorse. In a career that lasted from 1944 to 1946 he ran thirty-two times and won fourteen races. He was the leader of his generation in 1944 when he was named American Champion Two-Year-Old Colt. �. Pompey (1923�1944) was an American Champion Thoroughbred racehorse. �. . This biography of 1923 Kentucky Derby winner and Horse of the Year Zev (1920-1943) is part of the Unofficial Thoroughbred Hall of Fame. |
These are all bi-level
spinning
tops of mine. (One collector
described them
as : "Plated brass two-tiered,
six sided spinning
top dating back
to the 1920's.") The idea was
for the upper and bottom halves
to spin independently.
Some were aluminum,
or chrome
plated.... ... ... On the
put and takes, the upper
tier would tell you if you
won or lost, and the bottom
tier would tell you how much.
... ... ... On the race
horse tops, the bottom tier
would indicate which horse
won, and the upper tier would
give the payoff odds. The race
horse tops originally sold
for 50-cents each in the 1920's.
The box they came in proclaimed
"the pocket race course ... America's
Great New Racing Game."
|
Rules for using "Odds On" tops -- click here for easy-to-read rules! |
No. |
Game |
Top sides |
Bottom sides |
Comments |
1 |
Crown &
Anchor |
1-9-3-5-2-7 |
Crown-Spade-Dia'd- Anchor-Heart-Club |
"Patent 33471"
engraved
on top; a British
game similar to Chuck-a-Luck,
I got it from the UK. |
2 |
Horse Racing |
DISQ,10-1,2-1, 4-1,6-1,8-1 |
Yutoi-Envoy-Harrier- Scamp-Sicyon-Golden Corn (I have) I have also seen it in these orders: � Yutoi-Golden Corn-Sicyon- Scamp-Harrier-Envoy � Yutoi-Envoy-Golden Corn-Sicyon-Scamp-Harrier (I have) � and so many other combinations of the same 5 horse that I have given up keeping track! |
"Odds On,
Pat. App'd. For"
is engraved
on the top of the spinner. Famous
British race
horses, c. 1920's. (Yutoi
was born 1917 and Golden
Corn 1919.
In the U.S., anyway,
horses raced about
2,3 4 years after birth.
Please correct
me if I am wrong about
that.) I got the top from
U.K. All these horse-racing tops have machined steel (magnetic) in the upper level, and nickel-chromium brass (non-magnetic) in the lower body. |
3 |
Horse Racing |
DISQ, 5-1,2-1, 8-1,6-1,4-1 |
Citation--Assault--Zev-- Whirlaway-- Man-O-War-- Stymie |
no patent
numbers, etc. Quite
lightwight.
Aluminum. Famous
American horses.
This top is
not as old as the others.
While Man-O-War and Zev were
born in 1917 and 1920, the others
were born 1938 to 45.
All the horse on
this top, except Stymie
(who won a record fortune in second
class races), won the
Belmont stakes. |
4 |
Horse Racing |
DISQ, 5-1, 4-1, 8-1, 6-1, 2-1 |
Grey Lag-Colin-- Man-O-War--Morvich- Zev-Spark Plug |
very faint, almost
unreadable, engraved
patent numbers, dates,
etc. on
the
top -- perhaps
worn away. On one, I could make out "192"
of the 1921 patent date. MAN O WAR DIED IN 1947 AT THE AGE OF 30, the greatest racehorse of all time. Man o' War made his debut on June 6, 1919. By the time he retired 16 months later, he was a national hero, joining Babe Ruth as the first shining stars of the Roaring Twenties. The charismatic horse's popularity had brought fans back to the track. Man o' War went to the post 21 times and won 20 races. He won one race by an incredible 100 lengths and triumphed in another carrying 138 pounds. He whipped a Triple Crown champion by seven lengths in a match race. ... ... SPARK PLUG was BARNEY GOOGLE'S (of the famous comic strip) cartoon racehorse, introduced in 1921. .. .... GREY LAG won the 1921 Belmont Stakes ... ... . COLIN-1905-1932, won the 1908 Belmont, .. ...... ZEV- became the greatest money-winning racehorse in history. His earnings are now $302084 (1920'S), won the kentucky Derby and Belmont ... ..... MORVICH RACED IN 1920'S DIED IN 1947, a Kentucky Derby winner." |
5 |
Horse Racing |
DISQ,5-1,2-1, 4-1,6-1,8-1 |
Lucky Hour-Bunting- Colin--Man-O-War- Morvich-Pillory |
"Patented
April 1921, No.
1374243." (That is a US patent
number for that year, and is the same number as
on the Baseball and Poker tops, which are shown below
in this section.) Famous American
Horses. Colin
was born 1908;
the others 1919-22. Go
figure. One
eBay listing of this
top said: "Man O' War,
The greatest thoroughbred
racehorse of all
time... ...Morvich,
1920 winner of the
Kentucky Derby ....Pillory,
1922 winner
of the Preakness and
Belmont Stakes ... ..Lucky
Hour, Lexington Stable
winner at Bellmont
and Aqueduct .. ....Bunting,
Whitney Stables winner
at Saratoga and Belmont. ......
Colin, Undefeated champion.
1907-08 Horse of the year.
#15 in the top 100 of U.S. racehorses
of the 20th century." See 8 of these
tops in original box here. |
6 |
Dice |
2-4-1-5-3-6 |
3-6-2-4-1-5 |
For craps
or any other
dice game. The white
thing on the top is a label. I
should have scanned
another side, but didn't want
to take
another
scan. |
7 |
Put and Take |
Tag (means
grip, take, grab)-Pott
(pot)-Satt
(to deposit,-put)-Tag-Alla
(all)-Satt
|
4-2-5-3-1-6 |
Swedish put
and take. |
8 |
Put and Take |
P-T-P-T-P-T |
3-1-A-2-4-0 |
""SPINIM,"
PAT'D APR 12- 21"
Click
here to see that patent
and a drawing of the top,
etc. |
9 |
Dice |
4-5-6-1-2-3 |
1-6-5-4-3-2 |
nothing engraved
on
top. Oct. 2018, it went for $115 on eBay. |
10 |
Dice |
6-2-4-1-5-3 |
5-3-6-2-4-1 |
same as No.
8, above, on the top
-- ""SPINIM," PAT'D APR 12-
21" |
11 |
Dice |
6-5-4-3-2-1 |
5-4-3-2-1-6 |
nothing engraved
on
the top. This top
is unusual in
that the numbers go
in a natural sequence
-- 6,5,4,3,2,1. Usually
the numbers
are mixed up as on a roulette
wheel. |
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Horse Racing |
1-1, 2-1,
6-1, 8-1, 5-1, 3-1 |
Red Fox, Fan
Tan, My Pal,
Jim Jo, Zev,
Gay Pet (query: other than Zev, I can't find info on these horses. Are they actual race horses, what period?) |
no mfgr info is engraved on the top. Both the top (much bigger and heavier than most: c. 1.5" x 1", 72 grams; the other common bi-level horse racing tops are generally 1-1/8" and 28 grams) and the canvas layout (30" x 5") are pictured below this table. April 2008 I paid $210 total for both in the George Cross Collection live, gambling items auction on eBay. Till then I had never seen either. |
"CONTROLLED" tops for cheating: left: a page from my F. & R. Co. catalog (circa 1900-1917) advertising one of these bi-level horse racing tops (what I call #5 top, above) and betting layout. When they spout, "a special top which is under control at all times," they mean the top is gaffed for cheating. Note that the cheating top is $5.00 and the "fair top" (i.e., honest) is only $0.50. right: instructions (circa 1950s) from the K.C. Card Co., Chicago, which would accompany the item when ordered (for top #4). (The rounded bottom panels must have been shaved in a certain way {either lower right or lower left rounded more than with a fair top} to produce the desired results.) |
More cheating with tops. The above is from one of my gambling supply catalogs, this one from New York City's venerable old H. C. Edwards Co.,
a leading Las Vegas supplier, mainly in the 1950s and 60s. I
suppose it could "favor" the "banker" if the bottoms of the sides were
rounded differently and the "banker" was in control of the spinning, so
he could spin either clockwise or counter-clockwise,
depending on which horse had the larger bets. Or if the customer
was consistently betting on a particular horse, the banker would supply
the top which would disfavor that horse, and the bettor could spin the
top all the time! |
HOW TO PLAY -- HOUSE ADVANTAGE
IS 16.667% ON AN HONEST (FAIR) TOP! The player bets on a horse by placing his money or chips in the horse box on the layout. Since he has a one in six chance of winning (there are six sides to the top), the "fair" pay-off should be 5-1, which is one of the six odds on the top. Two times out of six, he is paid more than "fair"-- when the odds of 6-1 or 8-1 turn up. But three times out of six, he receives less than "fair" odds -- when 2-1, 4-1 or "disqualified" turns up. The house advantage is 16.667%. I figure it as follows: � there are six sides to the top, 6 different horses. So a bettor's horse will turn up one-sixth of the time, or 6 times out of 36 bets. � if he bets $1 36 times, his "action" (betting) is $36. � 30 out of the 36 times another horse (one he didn't pick) comes up, so these 30 times he loses $30. � 1 out of the 36 times his horse comes up a winner, but the "disqualified" odds comes up too, so that 1 time he loses $1. � 5 out of 36 times his horse comes up a winner AND he is paid odds of 2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 6-1 and 8-1, so these 5 times, in total, he wins $25 (because 2+4+5+6+8 = 25). � therefore, out of the 36 bets he has a net loss of $6 (-$30, -$1, +$25 = -$6). The house has a net gain of $6. � the house advantage = 16.667%, which is the net loss ($6) divided by the betting action ($36). Another way of calculating it. Again he bets $1 36 times, so the action is $36: � 30 times another horse shows up, so he loses, gets back zero. � 1 time his horse shows up but is disqualified, so he gets back zero. � 5 times his horse shows up; the odds are 2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 6-1 and 8-1 (as per above), and he wins $25 (as per above) because because 2+4+5+6+8 = 25. But he also gets his $1 bet back, so $25 + $5 = $30. He gets back $30. � So he bet $36 (his "action"); he gets back $30; thus he loses $6. So the house advantage is 16.667% ($6 divided by $36 = 16.667%)! (Above page is from my 1929 H. C. Evans gambling supply catalog. Note: I never saw an 8-sided Horse Race top. This layout is for #4 top in the big chart just above.) |
Another layout for
the same Horse Race top --
#4 in the big chart above. Dealer said,
"Maker unknown, ca. 1920. Bets were placed
on your favorite pony (Spark Plug, Zev,
Grey Lag, Man-O-War, Colin, or Morvich) and the
put & take top was spun in the clear plastic
circle at the top of the layout. Paper over cardboard
with some edge damage. Man-o-War was three
years old in 1920. 25 x 15." |
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Tri-level -- one
of the few tri-level tops I
know of. United Kingdom.
The Tip Top. The
UK seller wanted $360
buy-it-now for this.
In the picture
to the left, the stem
is not shown. Seller says,
"A nice vintage tinplate gambling
top. The Tip Top with three
revolving central spinners, Length
approx 4.5 cm, Width approx 2.5
cm, This piece is in all original
pre-owned condition age related
wear and marks to the tinplate,
there are spots of rust it is not perfect
- but it is unusual." I show this top on my English language spinners page too. Weighs 16 grams. This is a horse-racing top. It shows which horses finish 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Yutoi was a champion thoroughbred, born 1917. July 2014, I bought one at eBay U.K. auction for $102. Seller said, "An unusual and very collectable tri-level tinplate six sided spinner dating from around the 1930s. Measuring just over 4 cm long. ... P Pat 4979 printed on the bottom of the spinner. ... The sides are stamped with odds and the three inner spinners have the names of nine horses: Yutoi/Ira/Scamp/Cusht/Argo/Varzy/Munia/Bucks/Petrea." I wonder if they are real horses' names -- I can't find anything about them, other than Yutoi. The names seem to be mostly fictional, fanciful. |
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YouTube video of a Crown and
Anchor bi-level spinner! Savvas Papasavva
( miscpro at http://www.miscpro.com ) made
this YouTube
video about
the spinner on the left, and linked it
to my web page. |
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Horse-racing, British.
British,
saw on eBay
August 2011. Measures
1.5" long. SORANUS - ORPHEUS - TISHY - ALAN BECK - LEIGHTON - YUTOI. All of these are champion English horses which raced from about 1918 to 1922. |
Horseracing, British. Brass. 35 mm, 303 grams. top level: moving odds of 3-1, 5-1, 2-1, 7-1, EVENS, and 4-1. bottom level: PUNCH 1, MANNA X, FEMBO X,TRIGO 1, TISHY 2 and finally PAY -UP 1. (note: the 1, X and 2 are for betting on home and away games.) |
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Horse-racing,
British Simlar to the above one, but different.
I own this one, �28.50 plus postage. 100% brass, 1-1/8 inch, 21 grams. top section spins with odds, in order--10-1 4-1 6-1 3-1 6-4 2-1. lower section 6 names,in this order-------alan breck, orpheus, yutoi, soranus leighton, tishy. |
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Race Horses, British.
Names of major U.K. Flat Winners on the sides of
the top. "Also
known as "The Sport of Kings," and
often linked with gambling, flat racing
has been a popular sport for hundreds
of years. It has become a lucrative financial activity
with horses wining millions of dollars
in a race, and millions more as a stud", per an owner of the top. The 8-sided spinning top is 46 grams, c. 1-1/2 inch (3.5 cm) and has the names on it in this order: SUNSTAR (1911), CINNA (1920), DIADEM (1917), PANTHER (1919), MINORU (1909), SCEPTRE (1902), LADAS (1894), JEST (1913). On the upper level, in this order: 2-1, 5-2, 5-1, 9-2, 7-2, 3-1, 8-1, 7-1 odds. I added the year of their most famous victory in parentheses, from this source. |
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Race
Horses, New Zealand. The horses named on the
top were racing in New Zealand about 1944. Brass, length
35 mm, weight 35 grams. Horse names lower section: MARGIN, MANKIND, BURT SCOTT, GOLD BAR, INTEGRITY, RON LOGAN Numbers (odds) upper section: 2 1, 7 1, 4 1, 5 1, 10 1, NoDIV |
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Horse-racing. Similar
to above. For
one thing, the order of the sides is different.
From Gerrit V. This spinner and the one above are both "left-handed." spectre, jest, cina, diadem, panther, sunstar, ladas, minoru. |
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Horse-racing per Argentine seller.
He says, "ANTIQUE BRASS HORSE
RACING 2 PARTS SPIN INDEPENDENTLY
6 SIDED PUT TAKE SPINNER. TOP READS 7, 9, EVENS,
2, 3 AND 5. BOTTOM READS GRIFF, LEGER, CAPON, ROBIN,
BITER & DANTE. IT MEASURES 1.75 INCHES LONG AND
0.80 INCHES WIDEST. ORIGINAL PATINA, WEIGHT: 43 GRAMS." Jan 2018 on eBay, went for $149.89! |
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French language. Sans
peur
= "fearless." Seller says:
"Rare spinner/dice. Made by van Laere
in Brussels. Belgium. Engraved on the top of the
spinner near the handles, it says
"VANLAERE.BRUXELLES."
Measures about 3,5 cm high." I measured mine as 31
grams,
and 1-3/8." Click here for a picture of all six sides. The six sides are: Sans Peur, John, Flute, Golden Top, Boy, Queen. I have no idea what the six names represent -- thoroughbred horses, sports teams, pigeons, etc.? |
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Football teams
(British)
bi-level
top. First
time I saw this, on eBay
Feb. 2008. .... I bought one in July 2017 for $130 + posstage: 22 grams, 1-1/8 inch, hardly spins. ASTON VILLA - CHELSEA - TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS - MANCESTER CITY - BURNLEY - NEWCASTLE UNITED These teams are English Football (Soccer) League Ch�s for a long stretch of time -- 19th century till recently. List of champions here. �Football / soccer teams. The teams named were all cup winners/finalists in the 1920s/30s, so I guess it dates from that era�. |
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Plastic, prob. from United Kingdom. top 6 sides: 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 5 to 1, DISQ, EVENS. bottom 6 sides: THE FIELD, PANTHER, BLUE FLASH, WHITE LADY, GOLDEN EAGLE, RED KNIGHT. Made of celluloid or similar early plastic. ... ... .... . Height 1,5/8" or 47mm, diameter 7/8" or 23mm. 10 grams. Spins well enough, but poorly. |
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Per seller:
Vintage Bakelite
Top ... ..... The white and red parts are
bakelite - The
spin seperately
from each other so the
final outcome is always
random - The blue handle
is wood with some wear
to the paint - The markings
on the white part are P and
T and on the red you have 0 1 4 A 2 3 "It is marked "Spinim" on top with a patent number. The patent number is U.S. PATENT #1374243, and the patent can be seen by clicking here. Once on that web page, you will see links for a drawing of the devise, abstract, description, claims, etc. The patent was made to cover all tops that were bi-level -- two separate rotating parts. "1" wide x 2 1/4" tall." Went for $38. I own this top, by the way. It is also in about the 5th picture on this page, along with other bakelite tops. |
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Bakelite. Beautiful
picture, looks good enough to take a bite out of. Went
for about $46 plus postage on eBay,
Oct. 2012. |
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Bakelite. I bought these two
on eBay June 2013, $105 total delivered. This
is the first bakelite bi-level POKER top I have ever
seen. The coloring on the Put and Take top is
unusual. Dealer said, "2 RARE VINTAGE GAMING GAMBLING BAKELITE PUT & TAKE CARD GAME SPINNERS. BOTH ARE 2 1/4" TALL TO TOP OF WOOD HANDLES X 1 1/16" WIDE. ONE IS RED AND CREAM BAKELITE AND ONE IS GREEN AND CREAM BAKELITE. BOTH EXCELLENT CONDITION." Both of them have "SPINIM" brand name on the top near the handle, and patent number 1374243. Both are about 2-1/4" long and 20 grams. The Put & Take one has Ts and Ps on the upper level and on the lower level: 0 1 4 A 2 3. The Poker one has on the upper level: FULLH, 3, STRT, 4, FLUSH, 2; and on lower level: A K Q J 10 9. So possible hands could be: Full House, Jack high; 4 of a kind in Jacks, or Straight, Queen high. |
Plastic. Seller said: "Vintage Green Put & Take Teetotum Bi-Level Spinning Top Gambling Dice. |
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Standard Put & Take bi-level
top on right. |
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Plastic, dice theme. I finally got this from a seller in the Netherlands. About 2-1/2 inches, 46 grams. Spins poorly. |
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Plastic, Dice theme, long. 6.5 cm! It looks nice, but is a TERRIBLE spinner -- it simply hardly ever can be gotten to spin! Mine came recently in a plastic box with a paper inside that said, "BOJO's TOP," copyright 1982, Bojo's, Colorado City, Tx." Click here to see the paperwork that comes with this top. |
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Bi-level Poker top, made of steel
(magnetic). Got this August 2013
from A Pennsylvania USA seller on eBay. A heavy 76
grams, and 2-1/16" long. � top level sides, in order: Two, Three, Four, Full, Strait, Flush. � bottom level, in order: nine, ace, king, queen, jack, ten. Looks nice, spins very poorly. |
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Manufacturing error -- odds level
reversed. I bought this for $18 on eBay. Notice how the top
(odds level) is up-side-down. I soaked it in WD-40, but still
could not unscrew it to correct it. Probably worth more the way it is! |
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Bi-level poker top! I
had never seen
this
before till
February 2009 when it
went for $225
on eBay. The
seller described it as:
"Bi-level poker top ...
1-3/8 inch tall by 3/4" wide, 31 grams ... ..The top level spins independently from the bottom. [Hooray! I finally got a nice one on eBay for somewhat less in March 2011. Just goes to show that prices fluctuate, so you can wait for the right price (sometimes).] "The top level reads TEN, NINE, ACE, KING, QUEEN, and JACK. The bottom half reads STRAI'T, FOUR, FLUSH, TWO, FULL HOUSE, and THREE." The patent number and date on my personal top is very clear: "Patented April 1921 No. 1374243." It must be a U.S. patent because the first and last U.S. patent number for 1921 are 1,364,063 and 1,401,947. ... I have finally deduced how the game was played. I don't think there was a layout, and I don't think one played against the "house." Rather, like with poker dice, each player would spin his own "hand," and the highest hand would win. For example, the one pictured here shows a queen-high flush. If it had landed Jack Two, it would be a pair of Jacks. |
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Baseball bi-level
top.
Dealer
said, "Bottom
die reads: "Ball, Hit, Ball,
Strike, Foul, Strike" Top die reads: "H.R., 1.B., 2.B., OUT, 3.B., OUT"... ... Measures approx 1 1/4" L .. ... Marked: "PATENTED APRIL 1921 No. 1374243" (same US patent number as the Poker top, in the row above). .. ... Apparently the spinner was used to help simulate a baseball game -- no odds, no gambling use. I won it in Oct 2010 for $62 delivered. Click here for an ad for a similar baseball top, also 1921. Also click here for a view of the box and instruction sheet. |
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Horse racing -- misstrikes.
Top of spinner says "ODDS ON, patent applied
for." |
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Another
bi-level poker top, from France. "Top level in this order: SEQ, MP, POK, 1P, 2P, BR "Bottom level: � 9 diamonds � 1 diamond BTE (TE is underlined) followed by S.G.D.G -- 1= Ace - Ace � A kings crown with an "R" under it -- R= Roi - King � A queen's crown with a "D" under it - D= Dame - Queen � Another type of hat with a "V" under it - V= Valet - Jack � 10 diamonds" Note that it is over 1-1/2" tall. ""Bte S.G.D.G." is an abbreviation for a typical phrase concerning products from France. "Bte" is short for "brevet�" (="patented"). and " S.G.D.G." stands for "Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement" (="without government guarantee"). Credit: from a post October 19, 2005 at this Flickr Yahoo site. I think it is played like the poker bi-level top above. Here perhaps, the top level refers to classes of poker hands, like: SEQ [a straight?, a sequence], MP [Full House? MP= maison plein =maison pleine = full house], POK [?], 1P [one pair?], 2P [two pair?], BR [?]. .. ..... So, for example, if "1P" and an "R" appeared, it would mean a pair of kings! |
Similar to the one above.
Looks like a spark plug. Owner lives in Germany. He
describes it as "in the form of a Bosch (Bosch-Lavalette) spark plug. As far as I could determine, originally from France and probably for the game Pinochle. Made probably in the 1930/40 ies." I own this one. It is 2" long, 50 grams. It spins quite well virtually each time if you are careful. One issue I have is that if you tighten the handle (as you normally would), the upper level presses against the lower level, so the upper level won't move independently. More pictures here. And here, which shows the company's lighter in the three upper pictures, and the other pictures are of the bi-level Put & Take made from some of the same parts. I own that Put & Take. (Bosch-Lavalette was an old German-French partnership firm which made a wide variety of light engineering precision work, largely connected with fuel injection pumps and small electrical equipment, and large petrol engines. Lavalette, a French firm, and Bosch, a German firm, partnered between WW I and WW II.) |
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Golf. Seller says, "Vintage Ivory Color Put & Take Teetotum Bi-Level Spinning Top Gambling Game. |
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Unusual bi-level top with 8 colored
balls. Click
here for full
information and pictures on another page. More pictures of this top here -- shows the bi-levels more clearly. Click here for a picture of the original colorful box and the instructions. In January 2015, it (spinner, instructions, box) went for 221 euros on eBay. |
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Tri-level! French.
On
both sides is engraved : G.Jaquemet
Paris Bte S.G.D.G. Top of Gerrit Veldhoen, Netherlands. |
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Another tri-level
of sorts. This picture was emailed
to me January
2007. The sender said, "
It's from 1982 and was
made by a company called
BOJO's. ... ..... ..... The
top breaks down and you can move the
tumblers off and
on, depending on what you are playing." |
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Tri-level Crown & Anchor.
Dealer in UK says, "AN ORIGINAL CROWN AND ANCHOR GAME. HAS A GREEN CLOTH BOARD WITH MAKERS NAME ON BOTTOM. JUST OVER 11 INCHES BY 9 INCHES. J.GIBSON & SONS "INTERNATIONAL SERIES" MADE IN ENGLAND. THE DICE (top) IS OF A COMPOSITE MATERIAL (probably plastic). BLUE OLD CARDBOARD BOX IS ORIGINAL ALSO." It went for $183.50 plus postage, April 2012. |
Tri-level Crown & Anchor. While the usual Crown and Anchor game consists of three dice, each of which has a crown, anchor, heart, spade, diamond and club on each of the six sides, this Crown & Anchor spinner has three levels, each of which has those same six sides. It went for $283 on eBay, December 2016. |
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Tri-level Dice. I found
this image on page
of Justin Michell here . You
would roll the device, not spin
it. Maxim has similar ones at the bottom of his web page. |
Bi-level rolling log. What game is this from? Left end: J Club, Q Club, K Club, J Heart, Q Heart, K Heart. .... Right end: Bogey Patented, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 6-1, 8-1. .... 3.5 cm long, 34 grams. "Bogey" means one above par in golf lingo. It generally means error/mistake/loss. ..... Or it could refer to Bogey motorcycles which were made in the 1920s, thus maybe an advertising item? ... Here, the side could be for: E (for Even -- 1:1)/disqualified? |
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Tri-Level. UK dealer
was asking $119 plus postage. Has patent information
on it. Per dealer: "Length
approx 4 cm .... This piece is in all original pre-owned condition age related wear and marks. ....there are chips to the paintwork in places." The top is 6-sided, each level has these 6 sides: X 1 2 3 4 5. Some numbers are in red, others in black. |
Tri-level. Seller says: "STILL
IN GOOD WORKING PERIOD CONDITION, THIS PARTICULAR TEETOTEM IS RARE
BECAUSE IT IS TRI-LEVEL WITH 3 INDEPENDENTLY SPINNING DECKS OR LEVELS.
THE BOTTOM LEVEL IS FIXED TO THE MIDDLE SPINDLE, WHILE THE MIDDLE AND
TOP LAYERS ARE FREE FROM THE SPINDLE AND SPIN SEPARATELY AND AS YOU CAN
SEE THE TWO TOP LAYERS CAN BE SPUN SEPARATELY ON BALL BEARINGS. IT IS MARKED ON THE TOP - RUMPLE P/PAT. 19735/50 APPROX TOTAL LENGTH - 3.8CM (38MM)." |
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Tri-level. From UK. Per dealer: "The
top is marked "Spinpool Pat Appd For". I have been unable to track down
the makers or anything similar. The sides of the three hexagons are
marked in gold with X, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1. Because the three discs spin
separately, the final outcome is always completely random. The teetotum
measures 3.5cm tall." The spinner has to do with selecting and betting on sporting teams -- whether home or away team wins or there is a draw. ... Went for $75 at auction January 2017. April 2017, it went for almost $100 (plus shipping) on eBay. I came in second. In March 2019, I finally bought one, for much less. About 5 grams, 1-1/4." |
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SPINIM POKER. Per seller: Vintage Catalin Gambling Spinner, Patent # 1374243. Also referred to as Rotatable Dice, Teetotum, Put & Take, Patent # 1374243. |
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Wood Bi-level HORSERACING ODDS ROLLER
- Vintage Gambling WOOD BiLevel Spinner/Rotating Top - Teetotum . Spin
the top. When it stops the winning HORSE & ODDS paid are shown.
Includes the 1 in 6 possibility that the winner was "DISQUALIFED". 6
sided, hexagonal, wood (per seller). Sept 2018, it went for $150 on eBay. |
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What game is this?
Probably from Portugal: see here. Bottom level: X - 1 - 2 - X - 1 - 2, and on the top: X - 1 - 2 - X - 1 - 2 Top of Gerrit Veldhoen, Netherlands. |
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Bi-level
"Derby"top: the usual odds on top, but
numbers 1 to
6 on the bottom instead
of horse names or crown-anchor-spade-club-heart-duamond. |
Another bi-level "Derby" top. | |
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Another bi-level
"Derby" top with numbers. Top of Gerrit Veldhoen, Netherlands. Bottom level: 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 - 6. Upper level: E, 2 -1, 4 - 1, - 5 - 1, 6 - 1, 8 - 1. |
Another bi-level brass "Derby." Very nice unusual top. I paid 59 pounds for this (plus postage) from the U.K -- $88 total, March 2017. Spins, but poorly; 52 grams, 1-5/8 inches, 6 sides. Sides read in this order: Upper level: evens, 7, 5, 2, 9, 3. Lower level: 1 4 2 6 3 5. |
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Modern top -- playing cards. The seller in the US (November 2013) says, "This is an old game with a new twist as well. .... The original has the six horses names and the newer version has the four playing card suits Spade-Diamond-Heart Club as well as Joker and Ace.The odds are 2 to 1 4 to1 5 to1 6 to1 8 to 1 and Disqualified. ... these are made of Aluminum. ... These are patent pending games made in the U.S.A." 1-1/4," 12 grams. |
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Modern top -- horse racing. Similar to the one above -- made by the same person, modern, aluminum, 1-1/4," 12 grams. Same as top #4 in the chart above, except one side is COLON, not COLIN. Grey Lag-Colon-- Man-O-War--Morvich- Zev-Spark Plug DISQ, 5-1, 4-1, 8-1, 6-1, 2-1 |
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Crown and Anchor. Similar
to the bi-level tops (horses, poker) made by the company that made
the "Odds-On" tops, but nothing engraved on the top of the top near
the handle. I won it at auction Aug 2014 for $65 plus postage. Dealer in U.K. described it as, "Vintage 6 sided Bi-level "Odds On" Spinner, Circa 1920s. ... The top level sides are marked with the odds in this order: " E [Even], 2-1, 4-1, 5-1, 6-1, 8-1." The bottom level is marked with the symbols in this order: crown, heart, spade, anchor, diamond, club.. ... Looks to be made of brass with a silver coloured finish. ... Measures approx. 3cm tall.." 1-1/4", 30 grams. |
Crown and Anchor. Nickel-plated brass, 31.2 mm, spins well, REGd = registered. Top (betting) spinner - E (even), 9-2, 5-2, 5-1, 3-1,7-2. Lower level: Crown, Club, Diamond, Anchor, Heart, Spade. |
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Crown and Anchor -- Color added. Nice
touch. Two other nice/unusual
features: (1) the upper level has single
numbers, not odds (like 5-1, 3-2,), and
(2) lovely spiral design on the finial (handle) (ususally
it is plain or has parallel lines or a
diamond design). I sold a similar one on eBay in July 2013 for $90. The sale was helped with this neat composite picture of many angles of the spinner. Near the handle, the patent number 33471 is engraved. |
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Crown and Anchor --
Color added. Another one. |
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From Barrie M's Put and Take collection -- Crown and Anchor bi-level tops. |
Bi-level put and take top. No. 8 in the chart above. 1921. |
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5. Gaffed Put & Take back |
Spinner is differentially rounded
on the bottom.
The above three
pictures
show how a Put
and Take can be
rigged for
cheating. The
typed
instructions came
with the rigged tops
when ordered from
a gambling supply house.
The scanned
instructions and
catalog page are from the
K.C.. Card Co.-Mason
& Co. "Blue Book"
(copyright 1932), which
at that time had offices in
eight major cities across the
U.S. Notice how the middle ones are nice and symmetrical -- straight/fair/honest. In both pictures, notice how the tops on the right are shaved on the lower right side of the "T2" face, and the tops on the left are shaved on the lower left side of of the "T2" face. Knowing this would give a favorable percentage to the user; he wouldn't always win on every spin, but would come out a winner in the long run. These are 8-sided tops. The "takes" are opposite each other (for example, opposite the "T2" is a "T3"). Likewise with the "puts." So it would work this way, using the top on the left as an example (the one where the left bottom of the "T2" face is shaved some): if you spun the top clockwise (as a right handed person ordinarily would), it would more often land on the "put" side because if the top slowed down near the "T2" side, it would continue past the extra rounded (shaved) edge and land on the adjoining Put side (or as the Instructions put it more simply: "When spun to the right, a Put will show....."). And as you would expect, on this top, all four of the Take sides are shaved on the bottom left, and on all four Put sides, all of the bottom rights are shaved. Just the opposite would happen if you spin the same top counterclockwise or the top on the right clockwise. Two other gaffed tops appear on this page: here and here. Cheating with Put & Take dice is mentioned here. Switch tops in a game. In his book "Scarne's New Complete Guide to Gambling," John Scarne describes this safer (for the cheats) method: two cheats start playing the game with a fair top in a bar or restaurant. As people gather to watch, they join in the game. When the action really gets going, one cheat switches a crooked top ("put" favored or "take" favored) in and out of the game as required. As the game winds down, they swith the fair top back in, and can leave it to one of the suckers as a souvenir. As noted elsewhere on this page, it is claimed that the prevalence of crooked Put & Take tops led to the end of the Put & Takes craze after the 1930's. |
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Spinner sides
alternately rounded and straight
on both ends, and movable spindle. The
principle described above applies to
another form of Put & Take cheating:
the gaffed top is rounded differently on both ends.
The cheat pushes the central spindle up or down
as he passes the top to a player. Thus, all the players
could spin the top clockwise, but would get different
results depending which way the spindle was pushed.
(Source.) The Put & Take shown here is from my collection. It works just as described. The spindle can be pushed to work in either direction. In the picture to the left, note how the side with the star is rounded on the bottom and straight-flat on the top. The P1 side is just the opposite: straight-flat at the bottom, and rounded at the top. The pattern holds for all the take and put sides. 1-3/4" plastic. Sides: [red star], P1. T3, P4, T2, [zero], T1, P2. |
Spinner is NOT
rounded, but is weighted. Here the
body of the apinner is not rounded
on both ends (as described in the row
above), nor is it rounded on even one end
(as with the red tops above). Rather, the
"top is fixed so that a tap one way will make
little weights enter the "Takes" [sides], while
another tap will put the weights into the "Puts"
[sides]. ... This top is illustrated in the explanatory
drawings." (From "The Bunco Book," Walter B. Gibson,
1946.) Tapping away (or pushing and pulling
the handle), the cheat can make other players feed the
kitty as often as he chooses, and can win whenever
he wants. |
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Spinner sides
alternately rounded and straight on
both ends, and immovable spindle. .
Here the sides are alternately round and
flat on the tops and bottoms of the sides. The
spindle can NOT be pushed. Maybe it is stuck.
The cheat could spin the top clockwise or counter-clockwise
as he wished (as done with the three red celluloid
spinners above.). Or maybe the cheats would have three
differenet spinners that they could palm into the game
as they wished. This spinner is celluloid, 1-1/2," from my collection. Sides: 1, 5, 3, 8, 4, 7, 2, 6. |
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This is a modern Put and Take (maker calls it a "spinner" and "dreidel") that I first noticed appearing on eBay in October 2008. It is lightweight, made of aluminum, and has a hole in the stem to accommodate a key chain. The letters are "blacked in" for easy reading. |
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Top. � Another modern put and take, sold in U.K. � a similar modern Put & Take is the first item (PT1 -- only $15 plus postage) on my sales page. |
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10-sided top. � Another modern one, sold in the U.K. This one has 10 sides! � Seller says: "As usual it has the following markings: Put One, Take One, Put Two, Take Two, Take All, All Put. As this is ten sided it also has Put Three, Take Three, Put Five, and Spin Again." |
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6 and
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Modern. About
1-7/16 inch, The
right one is a mite longer due to the
bigger point/nipple. The one on
the left weighs a very high 56 grams (2
ounces!). � left one: 10-sided: TAKE ONE, PUT TWO, TAKE THREE, ALL PUT, PUT FIVE, TAKE TWO, PUT ONE, TAKE ALL, PUT THREE, SPIN AGAIN. � right one: 8-sided: TAKE ONE, PUT TWO, TAKE THREE, ALL PUT, TAKE TWO, PUT ONE, TAKE ALL, PUT THREE. |
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6-sided, left-handed. Saw this on eBay, from the U.K., September 2016. Seller said, "Game includes authentic solid brass Put'n'Take spinner (1"x1/2"), carry pouch, counters and instructions in a compact display box". Selling for about $10 plus postage. |
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Top. � same UK
seller as second row above. 8-sided
and
6-sided Put & Takes, and
die. � He states in eBay auction, "This listing is for the Classic six sided solid brass spinning top game Put and Take. Buy it now price is for ONE reproduction only (not original). Although if you keep it in your pocket for a few days it will tarnish and take its newness away. ... I have had a brass put and take for many years, and played the game since I was 10 years old, previously it belonged to my father. ... This Put & Take is ... new, with nice engraving. ... Also available as eight sided and ten sided Put & Take. ... See also Unusual hexagonal spinning dice (brass) . |
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Milspec-American Vintage Gaming-Sun-Sum, Inc. Aluminum mainly, they make a wide variety of modern tops. Their website. Their 8-sided one, ink filled engravings, is MS-PT8: 65 grams, aluminum, 2-1/2 inches, spins well. Also known as PT8-MIL: (T1, T2, T3, P1, P2, P3, AP & TA) |
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Six-sided.
Seller (on eBay Sept 2017): "Each of our gambling teetotums are hand
turned from a solid brass hex bar making each one unique. The top
is stamped, oxidized and then buffed with steel wool to lighten up the
high spots. �.Manually machined from 1/2" solid brass hex and tipped
with a silicon nitride ball bearing. These can be spun as tops on a
smooth surface with a little practice, but are designed to have a short
spin time to keep the game moving. �.. The top is punched by hand, so
results may vary!" |
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Aluminum Piece.. "Approximately 5/8" diameter and 1 1/4" tall. Have more in stock - let me know if interested,"per seller. |
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Silver sterling. U.K. seller says, on Etsy, "Handmade item Can be personalized, Materials: silver, 925 silver, sterling silver, 925 sterling silver, Made to order." Price $101. 3 to 4 weeks to ship. |
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Spin the Dredel Game. Brass. Instructions here . 24 grams, 1-1/2 inch. Poorly made. Half the time it does not spin; and the other half of the time it is a poor wobbly spin. Looks nice, though: thick, deep embossed inscriptions. |
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New. Saw this first time on
eBay February 2014. Dealer masterpanus described
it as "Put And Take Brass Teetotum Gambling Top Trench Art Replica
-- Gambling teetotums hand made by me in San Diego, California.
Teetotum spins true and fast. Each top I make is different since
they are hand made. Hand stamped, hand knurled, and machined on
a manual lathe." |
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Metal. Saw this on
eBay Jan 2011.
Seller, illinoisvalleycustoms1.
Seller says, "INCLUDED IN THIS SET ARE FOUR SETS OF DICE. EACH SET IS HANDCRAFTED RIGHT HERE IN THE ILLINOIS VALLEY BY OUR MASTER CRAFTSMAN AND OFFERED AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE IN THIS COMBINATION SET. THE DICE IN THIS SET REPRESENT THE FOUR MOST POPULAR STYLES OF DICE IVC HAS TO OFFER AND ALL MADE FROM SOLID BRASS. INDIVIDUALLY THESE SAME SETS SELL FOR OVER $50.00. THESE DICE ARE NOT BRASS PLATED OR PAINTED, THEY ARE 100% REAL CUSTOM MACHINED BRASS. YOU ARE PURCHASING A SET OF DICE THAT SCREAM �I�M SERIOUS ABOUT MY GAMING�. FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS. THE DICE INCLUDED IN THIS COMBO DEAL ARE AS FOLLOWS: *SET OF TWO �� SOLID BRASS SPINNING HEX TOP D6 PIP *SET OF TWO 5/8� SOLID BRASS LONG LOG ROLLER D6 PIP *SET OF TWO �� SOLID BRASS FLOATING D6 PIP *SET OF TWO �� SOLID BRASS STANDARD D6 PIP |
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Another modern one I saw on eBay, August 2009. Seller, historyfanatic, from Charleston IN, said, "While this top is made to replicate an original IVORY top, ours is reproduced in a resin-based artificial ivory. " He called it a copy of a Revolutionary War one! .. .... The on on the right appeared on eBay, Jan 2013, and the seller emailed me that they are being made now by Rose & Pentagram Design,and soldthrough Noble Knight Games. Looks like the same as the left one. |
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Bone. These have been around for quite a while, usually labeled as "vintage" or "antique." I took these pictures from one honest eBay seller, who described the set as, "This is a contemporary made game of chance for "Put and Take". Includes the carrying case and (2) game pieces. Made from bone. Very well detailed. The case is replicated to look like a wicker basket. The basket measures 2 1/2" long x 1 3/4" wide x 1 1/4" tall. Hinged lid opens to reveal the 2 game pieces. Each are made of bone and feature black & red colored barrel shaped die & "Put & Take" spinning top piece. Each piece is approx. 1 3/4" long. Excellent condition." |
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Aluminum. The dealer
describes these
as: "Up for auction
is a very high quality machined
aluminum
anodized Put and
Take GAMENUT
Dreidel dice/die. This patent pending design is precision balanced and the smooth rounded patent pending spin-tip will not mar surfaces. Lettering is Laser engraved and will not peel off. Each piece weighs in at a heft .3 ounces and provides enough weight to keep the die spinning for over two minutes if you'd like. We've had 2:24 seconds as our best spin." The large blue one (click here to see) is about 2" long and 1" wide. 40 grams. Spins fairly well. Pleasure to pick up and read. Sides: TA P2 AP T1 P1 T2. |
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Annodized. Saw
this April 2012 on eBay. Per seller, "Put N Take
Dreidel - Gambling Spinner - Made in Wisconsin USA, Made
in Wisconsin USA, CNC Machined
from Aircraft Grade Aluminum. Annodized - CNC
Engraved." |
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Crisloid dice. Dealer, in eBay August 2009 auction description, says: "... .... A box of 1 dozen 3/4" dice for the game Put & Take etched in black, red and blue. Directions for P & T are included. ... .... Proudly made at the Crisloid factory in Providence, RI." |
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Crisloid Put & Take
dice. |
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Modern Put and Take
dice. Easy to read the large letters and numbers. Dies read: GGGTTP (G: Give (put) to pot; ... T: take from pot) P11222 If one P is rolled, the player rolls again or passes the dice to the next player, depending on the agreed rules. If two Ps are rolled, the player takes the entire pot (as in Take ALL). |
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Put & Take dice.
Made by Koplow Games Inc., Massachusetts, made
in China. I spotted this in April 2013. Die 1: 1 2 3 4 5 All Die 2: Put Take Put Take Put Take Rules are on the back of the container. One unusual rule: "If a PUT and an ALL are rolled, then the player puts in an amount equal to the entire pot." While unusual, I have seen this rule mentioned many times. |
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Handmade ~ wood ~ burned.
Per seller: "The bidding is for ONE dice only, I have
shown 2 in the photo to show more faces of the dice.
... This is my version of a game I loved as a
child called "Put & Take". "The original game was a spinning top but this dice version is easier for younger children who can't make a top spin. "Letters & numerals are hand written by seller using with a wood burning tool. Each edge is also burnt to outline it. The wooden cube measure 1" (2.5 cms) across. "The 6 faces read - PUT 1, PUT 2, ALL PUT, TAKE 1, TAKE 2 & TAKE ALL. I will include insructions on how to play. "This is a fun way to teach children about turn taking, following game rules, number value, winning & losing!" |
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Wood top. Dealer told
me: "I am not sure, but it
is not old. Probably form
90's.Thanks,E." "Put & Take spinning top / Teetotum Wooden handmade, eigth sides 4,5cm long and 2,2cm diameter TA: take all T3: take three P1: Put one T2: Take two AP: All put P3: Put three T1: Take one P4: Put four Spin well, 40 seconds over glass surface" |
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"New spinning top
for Parta
Ola (Put and
Take), the traditional
spinning top game.
Hand lathed of aluminum, well
balanced for
long spins. English lettering
is CNC-engraved and
hand painted. Great game
for the whole family.
This auction includes
one aluminum top,
instruction card,
and small fabric gift bag.
The perfect gift!," as described
by eBay seller rembet33
in Oct 2009. |
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Die. per eBay seller,
March 2010: "Well, I came
up with a design and had it made
and now am selling it to other
Put and Take enthusiasts
looking for an ultimate game experience
that can be carried with
you wherever you go. Okay, I'll
even sell it to anyone else who
might want it so don't feel left
out. So, here it is, the ultimate
put and take die!! It's
an ivory colored 12 sided (D12 to the gamer
community) 16mm die and the sides,
in no particular order, are engraved
as follows: Put 1, Put 2, Put 3, All Put, Put All, Lose Turn Take 1, Take 2, Take 3, All Take, Take All, Roll Again" |
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Modern. Per seller:
"High quality solid brass spin game, lettering
is engraved and painted. About 1-1/4,"
20 grams. "AP = All Pay TA = Take All P1 = Pay One T1 = Take One P2 = Pay Two T2 = Take Two" Excellent spinner -- very easy to spin, and spins very well. |
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Steel. Seller says,
"spinners made from
the finest quality aircraft grade
stainless steel which is machined using
state of the art CNC turning centers and precision
balanced for a piece that will spin perfectly
and last forever, with a finish so bright and
shiny you will need your sunglasses!" |
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Silver. Seller
says they are "made from solid silver." Sells them
for 65 GBP here. The Put and Take measures 27mm long, 12mm wide and weighs 20gm. |
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Modern. Brass, made in USA, says "Pay" instead of "Put." 6 sided spinning top game, Approx .73" wide x 1.3" high. Selling on eBay, March 2018, for $35 postpaid. All Pay � Everyone puts one ante into the pot. Pay One � The player will ante one into the pot. Pay Two � The player will ante two into the pot. Take All � The player takes the pot. Everyone will ante again and the game will start over. Take One � The player will take one ante out of the pot. Take Two � The player will take two antes out of the pot |
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Modern crooked
(gaffed)
Put & Take.
"A gaffed gambling device increases
your odds to 90% accuracy!
The six sided spinner
contains a P1, P2, P3, and a
T1, T2, T3, The P's mean you
put in 1, 2 or 3 dollars, the T's
mean you TAKE," says the dealer of these
tops. The "secret" is somewhat
similar to the three red celluloid
Put & Takes near the top of this page:
if a player (the mark) twists the top to
the right (clockwise) --as
most players would-- it will almost
always land with the "Put" sides
showing, and if the hustler, who
knows the secret, twists the top
to the left (counter-clockwise),
the top invariably lands with the "Take"
sides showing. The red celluloid
tops worked that way because the lower
portion of the sides were rounded in
such a way to force the desired outcome. The
white plastic one here is weighted on
the inside for each of the six sides so as to
force the desired outcome depending on whether
the operator twists the stem to the right
or left. |
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"Gold Rush"
Put and Take.
Saw this April 2011
on Ebay. Dealer said,
"The
contents of the game are
the metal dreidel, 10 authentic
Gold nugget replicas,
rulebook with a very
short history of the California
gold rush, and a canvas
pouch to hold it all. A
Fast paced & easy to learn game
for 2 or more players,
new unopened condition. From
Channel Craft Company, Made in
U.S.A., Original price tag from
the Mel Fisher Museum of $10.95." note: I don't own this one. |
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"Rocky
Top." Unusual
the way the two characters on each side are deliberately
mis-aligned, never saw that
before. Also, the bottom
is rounded, no "nipple" or point
to spin on. I first saw this February 2012. "Top is NEW 1 and 1/4 inches tall Hand Machined of solid Brass and Polished Made in the U.S.A. By Me.," per seller. One collector reported to me that this top spins very poorly. She was impressed, though, with its handsome appearance and heavy weight. She sharpened the point *(sanded it down), and that greatly improved its spinning ability. ... I just received mine in the mail; it spins very poorly. I love the hefty weight (36 grams). By the way, not shown here, but the jagged line between the "T" and the "A" on the TA side is the signature "Rocky," the nickname of the creator of the top. Click here to see that T-A-jagged line side. |
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Old
Western
-- New. Seller
says, "Gambling
8 sided put-n-take top carried
by all early 1800"s gamblers,
a game could be started anywhere
with someone putting money
into a pool and spinning the top.
Originals of these tops are
hard to find today, these are made exactly
as the originals and after they tarnish,
will look exactly like an original
does." |
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Colo-Top Company, Denver
Colo. Nice shape and length (1-1/4"), but TERRIBLE
spinner -- in fact, won't spin well at all everytime! Sides: TA P3 T2 P1 AP T3 P2 T1. |
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"Morgan's Revenge,
A Pirate Game." Per seller: "This enjoyable and simple
game of chance comes with
a 6 sided brass top similar to a dreidel,
a 16 page booklet including instructions,
and replica gold doubloons and pieces
of eight. It is packaged nicely in a canvas pouch.
It is small enough to stick in your pocket or in a
pouch while wearing your costume. A fun historic
game for play at festivals and re-enactments. "Sure this game is available elsewhere but, as a bonus, we actually throw in 4 extra coins, so you get a total of 16 coins instead of the standard 12. This allows for more players and bigger stakes! We offer even more coins that are great to add or add replica coins from your own collection. "$12.00 plus shipping." There is also a deluxe edition in a tin box, for a little more money; click here to see it. I bought the thing from Amazon. Glad I did. Cute booklet and coins (13 coins only). But the top is difficult to spin properly and consistently. 16 grams. 25.75 mm. Sides: TA P1 P2 AP T1 T2. It is smaller than similar ones in my collection. |
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Made by Toys
Anno, Budapest, Hungry. Note the spellings of "Spinning Top" in different languages on the box. Their website. "made of: wood, tin package size: 15 cm x 8,5 cm x 8 cm weight: 0.15 kg suitable age: 6+ Traditional board game. Contents: 12 pieces coin , 1 spinning top,." Note: same chips as in the "Morgan's Revenge" set above. |
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"PUT," "TAKE," and
""LOSE SPIN." The spinner has
8 sides, but only those three commands: take,
lose spin, put, take, put, lose spin, take,
put. I like it: shiny, heavy 47 grams, 1-3/8" long,
get valid spin each time though often a clumsy spin,
fun piece, easy to handle. But it is easy to file down the
pointy tip to make it spin easily. Per the instruction sheet: "lose spin" means the spin goes to next player clockwise (to left); "put" means each player puts a chip (or amount) into pot; "take" means the spinner takes the pot; and "to decrease spinning time of the spinner, spin on a paper or cocktail napkin." First use and trade mark registered in 1986 and 1987, respectively. Manufacturer: Dan Kroll Industries Corporation, Billings, Montana. "Pat. Pend" (for patent pending) is etched on top of top near handle. See this link for patent, dates and corporate information. Box says: "your own casino: put n take ... solid brass gold plated ... the casino game with a message: 'what goes around comes around.'" Comes with: put and take spinner, 4 colors of plastic common chips, purple sachel bag, instruction sheet and original box. |
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Four "sides" to spinner.
More like a dreidel, with four sides: T -- Take one. A -- Take all. P -- Put one. N -- Nothing happens |
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Troy, New York. Made by Want
Ad Digest . Their name, address, web site, price, etc.
is on the "Put-n-Take." Made of plastic. 2-1/8"
high, 18 grams. |
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"The Pocket Casino" United Kingdom. Seller in UK says, "Modern Copy of the 1930's Brass Put & Take Spinning Top Dice Gambling Game." On eBay (March 2015) he starts auction at $22 plus $6 shipping to U.S. Note the hole and ring in the handle. | |||
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New. Saw this
on eBay June
2011. Per dealer,
"Made from solid brass, this
six-sided
Put & Take measures 1.50"
long by 7/8" wide. It features
a knurled stem for easy spinning
and its heavy 1.6 oz weight [46 grams]
will aid in long spin time.
Letters are engraved for longevity.
Take a stylish game/casino
anywhere you go!" I own one; it spins very
well. Side Engravings: TA P2 T1 AP T2 P1. |
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Card Game: Put
and Take. Per dealer:
"This card game is a variation from the
simple dice or top games
designed to risk pieces of candy,
coins or a few bucks. 54 cards
contain
instructions to put or take
playing pieces with the pot
or other players. A few of the
cards contain new instructions
that can radically change
the outcome. The game finishes when
one player has all of the pieces. Entertaining
for kids and adults. Great game
to have when family comes over for the
holidays." Sold at this web site: playingcardsetc.com |
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"Top - Silver with
Black Print". "This product is a
silver annodized aluminum with
black printed letters." "P1" - Put 1: The spinner puts (pays) 1 into the pot. "P2" - Put 2: The spinner puts (pays) 2 into the pot. "T1" - Take 1: The spinner takes (gets paid) 1 from the pot. "T2" - Take 2: The spinner takes (gets paid) 2 from the pot. "AP2" - All Pay 2: All players must put 2 into the pot. "WTA" - Winner Take All: The spinner wins the whole pot! |
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Another WTA
one. I first saw this in January 2014 on eBay.
Called "vintage"? Same rules as above.
1 1/4". Unusual in that the letters are upright, not
sideways. 18 grams, 1-1/4 inch, spins well. Mine looks
brand new. Seller: "the possible outcomes are: T1, T2, P1, P2, WTA, AP2, which translates to: Take 1, Take 2, Put 1, Put 2, All Put 2, and Winner Take All." I have also listed this top on my English-language Put & Take page in the category of Unusual Put & Takes: here. |
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"Finish: Polished
Brass." Deltana Gambit. Very pretty, but spins rather
poorly. In fact, most
attempts to spin fail! |
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J. L. Lawson & Co.
handmade. The company
makes many small metal machinist products
like belt buckles, bottle openers, spinning
tops, etc. They say, "Each of our gambling teetotums are hand turned from a solid brass .75″ hex bar making each one unique. The top is stamped, oxidized and then polished but will patina nicely in time." The price for each is $65. They put out interesting videos showing how they made these tops: click here. |
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Steven Robbins Gambling Top. They say, "Manually handcrafted on a lathe in Western Massachusetts." Was planned to be sold by Massdrop here. The web site says this:" Note:
This top is not designed for the longest spin times. This drop is
limited to 30 pieces... ... 10 users have requested this product ...
....
Interested in this drop? Request it! After 200 requests, we�ll contact the vendor to launch the drop."
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Gamp Sports "Spin & Win." Per Gamps: "Gamp Sports is excited to re-introduce this classic �Spin & Win� game with a top made from solid brass. This unique 8-sided version adds excitement with each spin. Perfectly balanced and weighing in at 24 grams, it is designed to spin perfectly for beginners and pros spinners alike." Price: $12.95 (February 2014). |
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WW I replica commemorative. Per
seller on eBay Feb. 2014: "THE SOLDIERS "POCKET PUT AND TAKE".
COMMEMORATING THE ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS AND THE BATTLE OF THE SOMME 1916. ... In June and early July 1916, ten battalions of the Royal Welch Fusiliers (RWF) became part of the British Army's huge concentration of men and firepower which, together with the French Army on the right flank, was to assault the German front line in Northern France. This offensive was to become known officially as the First Battle of the Somme. ... THE POCKET GAMING COIN TUBE / VESTA MATCH SAFE & STRIKER COMES WITH THE SOLID BRASS SPINNER GAME. A SUPERB NOVELTY HAND CRAFTED WW 1 COMMEMORATIVE TOKEN KEEPSAKE. A LOVELY TRENCH ART STYLE PIECE." Here is a YouTube video of the maufacturing of these items. And here is a lnk to his eBay sales page. Here is another of Guss Parkin's creations: a replia of a famous WWI German military Zeppelin shot down near London in 1916, killing the entire crew of 22. Note how the front of the replica unscrews to become a Put & Take. It was bid up to 120 GBP in April 2014 on eBay. Two more of his tops here. |
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New with key ring container. Saw
on eBay Feb. 2014. Per seller:"This listing is for one
put and take spinner with carrying case. These spinners are
hand machined by my husband (Jim) from solid brass stock. They
are 1.25" tall and .5" wide. The letters and numbers
are then hand stamped onto each of the 6 sides of the piece.
... Each spinner comes with a free spun aluminum storage container
(color may vary) that can be attached to a keychain. Printed
rules are provided. " Sold by the maker, in Pueblo, Colorado, for $32.50. Shop here. |
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Made by Graham in Australia.
Six sides in this order: TA P2 T2 AP T1 P1. Seller
says, in Dec 2013, "It has been hand made, not machine
made, of brass. There is an emphasis on balance for a great
spin, it is tough and has a personality of its own. With
a little practice it can also be spun UPSIDE DOWN!! ... The dimensions
are approximately 30mm long and 15mm wide at widest point. ...
I live on a bush property with a small solar power system and make the
spinners myself. I spend quite sometime hand sanding them to
get the balance just right and am very proud of them! Lots of
good wishes, Graham." I have used the seller's pictures, one of which shows the top spinning upside down! He started with a cap nut. With sandpaper he got a nice point to spin. In the hole he screwed (or stuck) the handle. Good thinking � nice result. |
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Vintage? I saw these
for the first
time
August 25, 2010, on eBay
in two auctions with starting
bids
of about $65 each.
Seller ID 1knifeguy1
(West Coast Trading Post)
of Fairfield, CA, calls
them "vintage" brass
Put and Takes and lists them many
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Also called vintage
and
listed many times
by the same seller. Called
by the eBay seller:
antique, brass, hollow
in the inside, and
no "top cover." June
2010. Dealer said in
part: "Unusual Antique brass
gambling device called a "Put
and Take". This tiny device
(only about 1 3/16"
tall x 5/8" wide; weights only
.2 oz.!) ... .... ... this piece has
a brass rod that appears to be pressed
into the inside of the
base; and doesn't appear to have
ever had, or needed, a top
covering piece. This piece
has light patina on the brass,
and a greenish verdigris on
the inside. Perfect for any
gambling, gaming, or put &
take collection / display." |
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Vintage? Same seller,
also called
vintage with many
listings.
Seller says:
"UNUSUAL NICKEL
PLATED ANTIQUE PUT&TAKE
GAMBLING DEVICE
. .. ... Antique gambling
device called a "Put and
Take". This small gaming device
is unusual in that it is nickel
plated, about 1 1/8" tall x
11/16" wide, and weights a mere .2
oz.." |
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"NICE OLD
[?] PUT AND TAKE
SOLID BRASS
SPINNER
IN EXCELLENT CONDITION,
ALL THE NUMBERS & LETTERS
ARE ALL ALMOST PERFECT,
NO MAJOR DENTS. IT MEASURES
ABOUT 1 3/8" LONG X 3/4" AT IT'S
WIDES POINT" per dealer LAMB
534, May 2011. |
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This is
the worst put and take
I have ever seen.
For one thing, it won't spin, ever.
The letter/numbers
are poorly stamped. Purported
to be vintage. Sides read: TA, P2, T1, T2, AP, P1. |
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Advertised on eBay Feb.
2012 as
"Vintage Put and Take dice game
brass spinning piece. Six sided
die. Nice!" Looks modern to
me, looks similar to these
"Rocky Top" spinners, which are admittedly modern. ... ...
Unaligned letters are
unusual. ... (The "Rocky Top" spinners have serifs
to the "T" and "P," which the ones pictured here do not
have.) |
Aluminum. 6-sided, letter and number off-set. 5/8 inch. Some of the sides read: P1, T1, P2, PA. |
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Characters askew (at an angle). Non-magnetic, probably made of aluminum. The six sides in order: T1, AP, T2, P1, TA, and P2. 1-1/4 inches, 10 grams, non-magnetic, easy to pick up and spin, and spins very well. Not sure if it is modern or not. The dealer who sold it to me had nine of them, calls them vintage, but I wonder. |
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Shapeways Put and Take. Made
on a 3D printer! In the picture, you see
"P2" and "Todos Ponen" (All Put). Per seller: "6-sided spinner for the game "toma todo" aka "put and take." Sides are labeled in Spanish. P1 = pon 1, P2 = pon 2, Todos Ponen, T1 = toma 1, T2 = toma 2, Toma Todo. cm: 1.904 w x 2.78 d x 1.648 h in: 0.75 w x 1.094 d x 0.649 h ." I gather the 6 sides are: P1, P2, T1, T2, Todos Ponen (All Put), and Toma Todo (Take All). I ordered one (July 2013), and it just arrived in a 12" x 12" x 12" box. It is one of the most awful Put and Takes I have ever seen -- about 1 inch long and 3 grams weight. It looks so large and nice in the picture. It is white and spins well. |
Shapeways plastic. "4-sided top / dreidel that functions as a put-and-take spinner or a D4 die. Sides are labeled "take all," "take half," "all put," and "put half" for the classic gambling game of chance." | |
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Shapeways Put and Take Dice. Like
the above one, "Shapeways 3D Printing Service and Marketplace" made
on a 3D printer. Per Shapeways: "Dice version of the spinning top game "put and take." One die is labeled {T, T, T, P, P, P} the other is labeled { 1, 2, 2, 3, A, H}. Game abbreviations: P = put, T = take, A = all, H = half. I also sell "put and take" tops. Dice are 1.1 cm across with round faces. I also sell several put-and-take spinners. " |
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Shapeways again. All these are only
about $6 each, but kind of cheap, plain looking, worth no more than
that. Seller: "Centermeter: 2.016 w x 3.324 d x 2.016 h ... Inches: 0.794 w x 1.309 d x 0.794 h ... An 8-sided spinner/top labeled for the game put-and-take. Faces labeled AP, P1, P2, P3, TA, T1, T2, T3. They also sell: "Unlabeled 8-sided spinner with a unique umbrella shape. Can be used as a D8 die, or labeled with options for the game "put and take" or "toma todo." Picture here. |
3D Model. Source: here . |
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Shapeways again: 7-sided Put & Take. It comes in brass, stainless steel or plastic. $35. Web site here. They say, "7-sided heptagonal top / spinner / dreidel for the game put-and-take, aka toma todo. Sides are labeled as follows: AP = all put, P1 = put 1, P2 = put 2, TA = take all, T1 = take 1, T2 = take 2, and star. The star can be used as an extra rule, for example, all take, take one from everyone one, everyone takes one from you, take half, put half, etc. Come up with your own new rules to make the game more fun." |
Seller calls it vintage. I wonder. "AP" on one side. 4/27/12. Looks like one edition of the "Rocky Top" spinner. |
"English version" of "Put and Take (Toma Todo) Game." 4/27/12. |
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7. Everything else: miscellaneous odd Put & Take-related items (but not spinners): bagatelles, pinball machines, playing cards, darts, spinning disks, etc. back |
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Edgar Bergen's CHARLIE McCARTHY Put And Take Bingo by Whitman 1938 -- Saw this on eBay, August 2009. Opening bid was about $22.00 postpaid. I didn't bid. Dealer wasn't too helpful with details. I had no idea what it entailed. I was turned off by the big size of the item: "The size of the box is 9"x15"." The description said: ""A game of chance with dice and chips." Box top has staining, major corner and edgewear, one torn side and a small amount of graphic loss at one corner, otherwise solid. Contents are COMPLETE and in excellent condition." |
Put and Take hidden in walking cane. Seller says, "Wonderful walking stick cane with a hidden secret, bakelite handle decorated with a white metal 4 leafs-clover ... hides 3 dice and one brass put and take, or teetotum spinner, which fit into the handle .... this is the �LUCKY CANE�.... In excellent condition. ... Size: 34� or 87 cm long." |
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Put and Take "hidden" in pencil. Hidden dice too. Seller says: "Listed is an antique ( 3 in 1 ) put & take, dice & marking pencil. This is really a unique gambling item ! The clip on pencil has a put & take on one end that screws into pencil. Inside the pencil there are 3 tiny ( heavy ) dice. And on the other end has a pencil point that goes in & out of the tip.? Click here for advertisement for such a 6-in-1 combination Put & Take pencil. Item includes: pencil, pen, cigarette holder, compass, Put & Take top, and dice. Said to be a 1935 print ad. .... ..... Click here and here for more pictures of such items. |
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"Put and Take" coin-op
trade stimulator
by W. C. Steel Ball Table Co., 1931. Source.
The top of the machine says "Test Your Skill For." That is just an attempt to call it a non-gambling game, which would be illegal in most places at that time. Uner that, in a circle, is the name of the game: "Put & Take." Below that is, "Insert penny. Push down on lever and release." There are 8 sections on the large dial. I can make out these sections: Take All (with star), P1, T3, P2, All Put, T2.... . It looks like there are beads on a wire, below -- to keep score? I see there is no auctomatic coin payout. Not sure how it would work. |
"Put and Take" pinball machine. 1935. Click here for a larger picture. |
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Rovo bakelite plastic hand-held Put & Takes. Note the plungers and the spinning reels. |
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Argentina spinning
top. Advertised on eBay (wants $100 plus $20
shipping) as a put and take, but I wonder. The box
talks about spinning for points. Anyway,
it looks neat. Apparently you put the finger
of one hand through the loop and quickly push down
that yellow piece with the other hand, and the blue piece
is pushed out spinning. Dealer says: "Rare 1920s
Trompolin Wooden Put & Take/Spinning Top/Teetotum w/Box&Instructions
[in Spanish] ... This is the exceedingly
rare "Trompol�n" Put & Take Spinning
Top with launcher. ... Besides of being used
for playing different table games, it can also be
used as a traditional spinning top with launcher. ...This
six-sided put and take is made of painted solid wood
with water-transfer decal numbers on sides, tinplate "neck"
and twisted wire launcher. ...Made in Argentina
by Trompol�n M.R. circa 1920-1930s. ...Dimensions:
Top: 3-1/8 inches (8 cm) height. Launcher:
12-� inches long." Dealer told me, "sides are
just numbered from 1 to 6 with "Industria Argentina" over
4 and "Trompolin M.R." over the rest of numbers." |
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Vintage Children's
Put and Take Playing Cards Game, per seller in
U.K. .... I bought the set of cards. No rules.
I'd appreciate it if someone would tell
me about the card game, how it is played, number of cards. What I received was 36 cards, about 3-1/2" x 2-1/4" each, all with the same standard back design. There are 9 different cards/designs, repeated 4 times for each different card -- so 4 x 9 = 36 cards. Only three of the designs have words on them: PUT 2, PUT 3, and TAKE 2. The other six have just pictures, no words. Click here to see all 9 different cards and their common back. |
More Put & Take Playing Cards: "GivanTake," 1910. Click here for a bigger picture and instructions. Seller in U.K. says: "PLAYING CARDS ANTIQUE CARD GAME VERY RARE GIVANTAKE PUT TAKE WITH CARDS 1910 A RARE COMPLETE SET OF 20 CARDS TO PLAY THE GAME OF GIVANTAKE A CARD GAME THAT IS PLAYED IN THE SAME MANNER AS A PUT AND TAKE SPINNER TO BE PLAYED BY BETWEEN 3 AND 8 PERSONS AN EARLY VERY EASY TO PLAY GAMBLING GAME CARDS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION ALL SHOWN IN PHOTOS COMPLETE WITH USUALLY MISSING PACKET WHICH IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION IT HAS THE RULES OF PLAY PRINTED TO THE REVERSE." |
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Put
and
Take advertising sign.
It is 7.5 inches by 4.25 inches.
Taped to the back of
the sign is the profit
chart per set of 1200 "tickets" on a spindle. The player would have
to unwrap the ticket to
see the results. Kind of bold for a store owner to put up a sign like that. Pull tabs, spindle tickets and punch boards would be illegal in most places. 1930s-40s? Note it says "Put or Take." The ones below say "Put 'n' Take and Put-n-Take. Often: Put & Take. |
Put& Take Pull tabs in a jar. |
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Commercial Token of "Put & Take Store." These were probably given out as advertisements to induce sales. I don't know why the store was named "Put & Take." The owner of the chip thinks it was a "general merchandise and clothing" store. The token is 32 mm, rated R-10 (very rare). Both sides shown. It is cataloged here. |
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Hand-held pump -- spinning disk.
Per UK seller: "A vintage, hand held, plated brass,�Mechanical Put
& Take Game.� The central knob is spun, the button on the side
is pressed to open the window & reveal the instruction, it cannot be spun again until the top button is pulled out to close / reset the window & then the game starts all over again. It measures approx. 2 �� dia x 3 /8� overall, plus the buttons. It is very well engineered & is in lovely condition for its age." |
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Hand-held pump -- spinning disks. From web page of ARJAN VERWEIJ, avid dice collector. |
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Six bovine bone counters used for Put and Take. Seller: "WW1 Seaforth Highlanders Trench Art Military Put and Take / Dice Gambling Game".
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GIZZ Put & Take. Close-up of the instructions and manufacturer name: click here
. It says, "GIZZ PUT and TAKE, one of the large family of
"GIZZ" fun games, produced only by Infinity Enterprises Inc, McHenry,
Illinois." Plastic, about 6 inches long. Three pots of chips are formed. The gadget has 6 dice inside, three pair of dice -- as the picture to the left shows. The gadget is in effect a "dice drop." The players, in turn, grasp the long end and shake the gadget, then tilt it downwards to produce three pair of Put & Take dice, one pair for each pot. (Since each die has 6 sides, there are numerous different outcomes.) |
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Advertising cigar cutter: "Put & Take cigars,
Brooklyn New York." 2 inches. Looks like "Put & Take" was a brand of cigars! |
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Brand of knife. Antique
Pocket Knife Shop Display Advertising card with Put & Take
Brand. The actual knife is pictured in the row below. Picture to the left is label on back of store display of the "Put and Take Brand" pocket knives. Goods Pocket Knives Put & Take Brand Made in Germany label to rear. 1 card no.21724.
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"Put and Take" knife brand. This is the knife referred to in the row above. The seller, in Australia, described it as, "vintage folding knife ...'Put and Take Knife ' Germany, Richartz Bros & Son. Approx 15.3cm long with blades ( unfolded ). Middle ( handle ) 7.5cm x 1.5cm." |
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Inspirational
booklet. This is
the cover of an inspirational 1951 small
booklet published by the H. H. Horton
Co, NYC. It describes Put and Take
as the "biggest game in the country,"
and "when it rolls over and stops, you do
what it says." It uses the game as a parable
for life, and a jumping off point for its
economic message. I won the auction. It's a 16 page boooklet, including the covers. Ironically, it is very relevant for today. It notes how some call "profit" a dirty word and want confiscatory taxes. On the last page the booklet asks, "where is the money going to come from for the operation and expansion of business?" But it can't come from government because "Where do they get their money? From profits, of course. So who's kidding who?" |
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Put & Take
with Spinning
Tray -- I
bought this on eBay Sept.
2010. Never
saw one before. Dealer
described
it as: "At auction today is a vintage Put and Take game of chance with a Birdseye Maple tray. The little brass spinning top has six sides marked Put One, Put Two, All Put, Take One, Take Two, and Take All. The Birdseye Maple tray is made of one piece of wood with nice graining and a raised edge that keeps the top from spinning off. Both pieces are in good used condition, the top spins nicely and has no breaks and only a few small dings to the brass, the tray has some expected minor scratching and scuffing. The top is just 1-3/16" long, the tray is 9" in diameter." It arrived, and I am very happy with it. If you spin the top and it gets close to the edge, it does NOT immediately tumble and stop -- rather, it just moves away from the edge and continues spinning, for the most part, and then it collapses and stops. |
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Electric Put and
Take game. I
own
this, $30.00. It
actually works, with
a "D" battery (which I removed).
You press down on the
little red knob at the lower
righrt to get the two "rotors"
(wheels) to spin -- the "number
rotor" (numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, and
5) and the "color rotor"
(put, take and take all). There
are instructions printed
on the inside of the top of the box. Better picture, click here. Vintage / Antique Game ELECTRIC PUT-N-TAKE by Jim Prentice The Electric Game Co. Inc., Holyoke, Mass. followed by model number (54-P) and U S patent #. |
Radio Shack, Ft. Worth TX, "Electro Dice" electric Put & Take and Craps games. Approximately 13 x 10 inches. Comes with large felt layout and instructions. Works very well, excellent. Uses two "D" batteries. |
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Rol-A-Lite Roulette Tin Game. Made by the Durable Toy & Novelty Company of New York. This piece features tin construction with colorful litho throughout showing flags of the world, roulette wheel numbers, a world globe, Put And Take markings, and more. The instructions for all games are printed around the sides, including Roulette, Odd Or Even, Hi-Lo, Play The Flags, Play The Marbles, and Put And Take. The top piece is designed to hold a single "D" battery with an attached light on the underside of the lid. Spin top battery box and figural airplane pointer moves around the board as light shines through the underside of the marbles. Measures 10 1/4" in diameter and stands 5 1/2" high. As you twist the battery tower, it is neat the way the light below lights up each marble as it passes by. Click here to look at the inside mechanism. There is a small light bulb attached to that movable metal bar, which is attached to the battery. Click here to see a close-up of the Put and Take commands on the top of the tin. Also, look closely to see the airplane shaped pointer, which is pointing at Take 1, Ireland, 85. |
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Vintage Put & Take and Roulette tin. From the U.K. 13 cm x 5.5 cm. Note the spinning needle on the top of it. Nine "sides" or commands in this order: take all, put three, take two, all put, take three, put one, re-spin (spin again), take one, put two. |
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Transogram Put'n
Take
dart game. Per
eBay seller in Nov.
2011: "Vintage Transogram
Put'n Take dart
game in old box. Box
is bent out of shape and had some
water damage in one corner.
Darts have been colored black
and the rubber heads are broke.
The 22" board is in good shape
and so is the hardware that holds
it up. Comes with instructions." Click here and here to see the darts and the box for this game. It looks like the darts could be thrown while the target was spinning! Another close-up here. |
"Champion" 2-sided combination dart board game. Note the "Put and Take" section at the upper-left. The eBay seller said, "One side of the board features cards for playing poker, black jack, or whatever.
The other side features a 1-20 dart board with 4 smaller games at the corners. ...
The dart board is 21 1/2 inches square."
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App for computers. Click here to get the app. |
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Actual Put &
Take large coin-op pinball machine! EBay dealer says, "This
is a no reserve auction for a nickel gambling coin operated game made
by Western Coin Op in Chicago Illinois. This machine is working and
will pay out nickels properly when the ball enters any of the score
holes on the playfield. This put n take is almost completely original
and is in excellent condition for its age." The lower left picture shows the inside mechanism. The machine actually calculates the correct pay-off when the pin ball falls into the particular "Take" hole. The picture on the right shows four score holes on the playfield: Take 10, Take 10, Take 80, and Put 5. |
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"5 Games
In One."
c. 1950. Many combination
games like this one
(bagatelle, pin ball-like, about
13" x 22") were sold years ago.
They would have a glass covering.
A spring-like device would
shoot marbles inside. The marbles would
hopefully land in one of the metal "catches"
to score points. Note that in
the second picture, there are
catches for T2, P1, P2 and T1. The game shown here is entitled "Happi Time." The 5 games are ""twenty-one, put-n-take, baseball, bagatelle and pennants." |
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4 Games in
One -- It measures 16" x 9" x 1". This one is like
the above large bagatelle game. The four games are Put
& Take, Baseball, Hi-Score and Twenty-one. Made by Northwestern
Products Co., St. Louis MO, copyright 1952. The picture at the far left is of the box the game comes in. The middle picture is the pinball game. The picture on the right is a close-up showing one of the pockets where a small ball bearing might land -- this one being a double for the baseball game, 4 for the hi-score game, and T-3 [Take 3] for the Put & Take game. |
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4 Games in One.
"Poosh-M-Up's Rodeo Bagatelle." Made by same company
as above, Northwestern Products Co., St. Louis MO. Seller describes it as: "Fun vintage pinball game board from 1934. 4 Games in one: Baseball, Bagatelle, Pennants and Put & Take. Wooden framed glass front. Metal balls inside for launching from springed pin at bottom. Attached to back is a wire stand for table top play. Manufactured by Northwestern Products in St Louis, Missouri. Item is in great shape! Frame is worn - paint chips, scratches, etc. Check out the photos! Approx 17" tall, 11" wide, 1" deep. " |
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5 Games in One
-- Happi Time of Sears Roebuck. Per seller: "With 10 steel balls and a fine use of the spring loaded plunger, you to could be a winner of one of the five games listed such as Bagatelle, Twenty One, Baseball, Put-N-Take or Pennants. It has a wood frame, glass face and measures 17 by 11 inches." Nice construction theme to the game. |
Put-N-Take Fishing. Has nothing to do with the game of Put & Take. �Put and take fishing means fish are stocked (or put) into a body of water with the intention of being caught. For instance a lot of trout streams are one way or the other unable to sustain a wild population of trout, so they are stocked every spring just before the opening day of the season. �. Some Hybreds are sterile---unable to naturally re produce---they have been put in so people can catch them(take). � �Catch and release� is just that---you release what you catch. I practice that, though I enjoy a few for the pan now and again�. |
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Put & Take plush stuffed toy and nest for young children. Has nothing to do with the Put and Take game. Per seller: �From Bright Starts' newest collection, Simply Bright Starts, the Baby Bird Put & Take toy is an irresistibly cute toy that's a must-have for baby's toy box. Three simply sweet plush birds nest in their cosey, soft nest. Introduce baby to put-and-take play by placing the little birdies back home in their nest and delight little ears with sweet chime and jingle sounds in each bird. Take the birdies on the go with the easy to carry handles that adorn each side of the nest. The perfect gift for baby boy or girl. Recommended for ages 3 months and up� �. 3 plush birds sound with sweet tweeting sounds. Introduce baby to put-and-take play. Soft plush nest features handles for little ones to carry.� |
Put and Take Card,
both sides shown. Interesting
trade or premium card where one
could cut out the body of a put and take
top, but
hardly worth the $300 buy-it-now
price
on eBay, May 2011. That's
what you get when
those silly grading
companies go to work and seal
products in plastic holders.
It is also what happens
when eBay has free listings (no insertion fee). |
8. Rolling: Dice, Faceted
Balls (not sterling), Logs, and Barrels
-- put and take-related (Note: more Put & Take faceted balls/dice are in the Sterling section of my English Put & Take page here. And also in Section 6 (modern Put & Takes) of this page ) back |
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"Everybody
Ante."
I own a pair of Put and
Take dice like these.
Mine are made of French ivory,
a type of plastic
like celluloid
where an imitation
ivory grain is printed
on the dice. On the standard
Put and Take tops there are
different rules for "PA"
or "AP" -- the spinner can
put up one unit or match
the pot, or all the players might
have to put in chips. Here
there is no doubt. One die
has on its sides: P, P, T, T,
Take All, and Every Body Ante.
The other die says: 1 2 2 3 3 4. |
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Grain on the dice. From the collection
of Marianne Jager. Note the grain
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More grain on ther dice. Per seller; "These are made of French ivory, a type of plastic like celluloid where an imitation ivory grain is printed on the dice. On the standard Put and Take tops there are different rules for "PA" or "AP" -- the spinner can put up one unit or match the pot, or all the players might have to put in chips. Here there is no doubt. One die has on its sides: P, P, T, T, Take All, and Every Body Ante. The other die says: 1 2 2 3 3 4." |
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More celluloid
Put & Take dice. A web page of mine about distinguishing ivory, bone and celluloid grain: here. |
Unusual celluloid Put & Take dice. Not always, but usually one die has Ps and Ts on all six sides -- 3 Ps and 3 Ts; that die gives the command to put or take. The second die would normally have numbers (it varied, sometimes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) and either a star or the word or letter A, All. Thus, the second die would give the amount to be taken or put into the pot. Here the star is on the P-T die; the star must mean "Take All." What then is the meaning of whatever number is on the second die? |
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Dice with words. Plastic
dice: a Put and Take die (printed with 3 T�s and 3 P�s) and
a number die (printed with 1-2-3-3-4-A). Quite
unusual -- usually the dice have Ps, Ts, and numbers,
not all words. |
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Brass Put & Take dice. |
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You Tube: Put
& Take gaffed dice played
today! Click here to see
the video.
Interesting the way people are hustling
today with crooked Put and Take
dice. The video didn't convince
me much. The way he slid the dice out of the
dice cup (not tumbling the dice) seemed an
obvious give-away to me. I also coudn't
see how the dice were tampered with. Finally,
anyone would run after he threw "take all" twice
in a row! |
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Hully Gully Put & Take Dice.
I paid about $25 for this neat little thing that does
not work too well, but is fun to
have -- it was made for cheating!. As pictured
here on the package (4 x 4 x 4") and instructions,
it is basically two dice in a domed transparent
container. The players are supposed to pick it up, shake it, and then place it down on the table to see the results. At the start of the game, the dome had been twisted counter-clockwise, locking the contraption secure in the honest position. When it becomes the cheater's turn to shake it, he would secretly twist the dome clockwise and press it down, activating the magnet which would insure "take" Put & Take results of the dice. He would turn the dome to the honest position when he passes it to the next player. This ploy relies a lot on slight of hand. The box and instructions say: Hully Gully, Pluck Mfg Inc, 3021 Commercial Ave, Northbrook IL 60062. The domed device has on it: Reliable Armature Service, Inc., 10115 South Torrence Avenue, Chicago IL 60617 and a 312 telephone area code number that is no good now. (Zip codes, like 60062, were first used in 1963. Telephone area codes started in the 1940s.) |
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Put and
Take dice with a star. I
am always seeing something
new. This one has
on the numbered die: 1 2 3 4 5 * (star
= "all"). Most other times
I have seen these dice with no star --
for example: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4 and A (for All),
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Put and Take dice. Dealer
says, "They look like
they are made of plastic but
I've seen
other ads that list them
as Bakelite. I think they
are plastic. These were
made by a company called
Elk Brand." |
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Put and Take Dice
in
Charm or Pendant
-- I reveived
a picture
of this from the owner in
Feb. 2010. He
said, " I came across
a set of Put and take dice
in a pendant which I think
is brass. I didn't know what
they were for years until I found
info on Put and Take tops
and games on the internet.
I have searched tirelessly but
can not find any similar to
the ones I have. They belonged
to my Grandfather and were mixed
in with war medals and other
keepsakes. The dice are green stone
of some sort with white lettering
and the pendant is possibly
brass that opens at the top and has a
eye for a chain I believe. ... I
think it might be too heavy for
a bracelet. The case is 1 inch long
by 1/2 inch wide and the dice
are 7/16 wide with precision edges.
I would like to try to identify the type
of stone the dice are made of and also
the type of medal the holder is made of.
It belonged to a male so I don't think
it was a charm. " |
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in
Charm or Pendant -- another. Item: Pendant Size: 1� Tall Sides of the dice:
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Wonderful little boxed
set:
2 put and take
dice, and a typical brass
put and take solid top.
In August 2010, I got
this for just $28 on eBay. |
Bakelite multi-game dice. From a U.K. seller on eBay, August 2017. Some of the sides. |
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Heads
and Tails Bakelite
Dice. Not
a put and take, but I couldn't
resist not showing it
here! Neat. Never saw
these before. Australian
dealer describes it as, "ORIGINAL
1940s HEADS & TAILS DICE ...
IN BOX PACK OF THREE ... GOOD CONDITION
FOR AGE..70+ YEARS....FROM
BYGONE STORE ... BOX MARKED W.O.I.
No 256...RUSSELL CRAFT." |
Handmade ~ wood ~ burned.
Per seller: "The bidding is for ONE dice only, I have
shown 2 in the photo to show more faces of the dice.
... This is my version of a game I loved as a
child called "Put & Take". "The original game was a spinning top but this dice version is easier for younger children who can't make a top spin. "Letters & numerals are hand written by seller using with a wood burning tool. Each edge is also burnt to outline it. The wooden cube measure 1" (2.5 cms) across. "The 6 faces read - PUT 1, PUT 2, ALL PUT, TAKE 1, TAKE 2 & TAKE ALL. I will include insructions on how to play. "This is a fun way to teach children about turn taking, following game rules, number value, winning & losing!" |
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Modern Put and Take dice are in Section 6, above. |
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Modern Put & Take dice by Crisloid. |
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Put & Take Brass Die. 12 grams, 1/2" each side. Only one die is need to play the game. Sides read: take all, take two, put two, take one, put one, all put. |
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The Energy Company Dubble
Lucky Dice. Copyright 1937. Can be played
as dice, ignoring the
Ts and Ps. Can also be played as
Put and Take. The item is found at Kevin
Cook's dice site. The
complicated rules can be found here.
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Put & Take dice. Picture taken
from Kevin Cook's dice web page here.
Go to that page and you can click the thumbnail to see a big picture
of it. |
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Putentaken Put & Take dice. Here, 3 dice are used: � P P P T T T. � 1 1 2 3 3 A. � yellow die: A O and 4 blank sides. Similar to regular Put and Take dice, except all 3 dice are rolled at the same time, and if an O shows up on the yellow die, the player who rolled the dice chooses an opponent (another player) to put so many chips into the pot.. .. .... and if A shows up on the yellow die, all players put so many chips into the pot. Click here for the dice rules. Copyright 2006 by Haywire Group Inc., Wicked Good Games (TM). |
Jon, No. 3023, Bookette Edition, "3 Favorite American Penny-Ante GAMES," Nu Process dice, Jon Weber Manufactory. Book opens up to 6 dice for 3 games, 2 dice for each game. Picture at left from Kevin Cook's website. The 6 sides of one Put & Take die: Put 1 (1 side), Put 2 (2 sides), Put 3 (1 side), Take all (2 sides). The other die has Pot numbers 1, 2 and 3. The players, thus, put and take into/from one of the three pots! Instructions here. |
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8-sided round-ish
Put & Take. Dealer
describes it as, "Not sure
of the metal it is made
of, maybe lead or zinc
plated brass. It is not magnetic.
It measures approx.
9/16th"." I could only see 6 sides, which read: ND, P3, P2, AP, T2, T3. (ND stands for Nihil Dabis -- "nothing happens" in latin.) |
Another one. 8 sides: * (star) [for Take All], T1, T2, T3, 0 [for All Put], P1, P3 and P4. |
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Round Put & Take. Unusual
metal (non-magnetic, possibly
brass) Put & Take: 8 gr, c. 20 mm. The ball
(or "cube") has 2 "ends" that say "Pat Pending"
and 8 sides. Says "Pat Pending" on the two "ends." The other 8 sides say: take all, put two, put three, take one, all put, put one, take three, take two. |
German 14-sided Bakelite Put & Take die. Has similar commands of the typical German Put & Take top, which are (typical German top): Gib Zwei = Give Two Nimm Alles = Take All Nimm Eins = Take One Alle Geben = All Give Nimm Zwei = Take Two Gib Eins = Give One Seller calls considers this a "rare" top, starting the auction at $75. Says it is 3.3 centimeters diameter. |
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Bowman Products Division pair of Put & Take dice with emphasis on Bowmalloy fasterners and SAE bolt grades. (The
Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) sets standards for the tensile
strength and integrity of various metals that bolts are made of.) Click here for a picture of the front and back of the packaging that the pair of dice come in. And Click here for the instructions of play and pictures of the 6 sides of each die; both dice have the same 6 sides. |
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3 Vintage POLITICAL PUT &
TAKE 1960 Dice Games. I
saw this
on eBay, August 2009.
I'm not sure how
it is played
and what the dice
look like. The
dealer wasn't very helpful
in answering questions.
His description:
"3 vintage 1960 (dated) Put and Take political dice game. Consists of a 9" tall cardboard sheet with directions and two dice showing various anatomical feature of the donkey and the elephant. Even if you don't like the game, this deal is worth it for the dice." It was listed as buy-it-now for about $20.00 postpaid. |
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Cthulhu Dice, modern version of Put and Take. "The Cthulhu die is nothing else as a
modern, weird, Put and Take game, with only
little different rules and modern names. They
are sold in metal: nickel, pewter or bronze, and
in plastic - all with 15 tokens made of glass.
At the start of the game every one gets 3 tokens.
For background Cthulhu see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu.
(it dates 1928).
"Not only put and take to the kitty, but
also to some one else you choose (target
player), who had to put to the kitty (Cthulhu)
or to you. They call the tokens: sanity tokens
and if you have lost all your sanities, you
became mad.," per Marianne Jager. Some rules here. | |
Coca Cola Put & Take rolled log game. Click here for the instructions to the game, and a listing of the six sides.. The plastic log is nice and big: 2-3/4" long x 1/2 inch flat to flat. |
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Roll Out The Barrel game. Patrick Molloy, a collector from the U.K., suggested including this on my web page. I appreciate it. He says, "made in England pre-war, made from Bakelite. It's still got its original box & instructions. Is played by rolling the barrel (flat multi sided barrel) L1.L2 R1,R2, K1,K2, PUT ALL & TAKE KITTY,, L1/R1 means barrel moves 1 or 2 players left or right, k1.k2 means put 1 or 2 into the kitty, take kitty means take all from the kitty. It's size is about 2 inches x 1inch. I've collected put & takes and other pocket gambling games for years, but I've never seen one of these before. Patrick Molloy." June 2017, I paid $90 plus postage for a boxed one on eBay. Click here to see the instructions and British patent number. Note: I just received mine from England. Love it. I doubt it is bakelite, though. Light plastic, just 8 grams, 1-1/2 inch. |
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Rolling "log." Per seller
in U.K., May 2013: "Large brass six sided
dice. "Impressed on the side walls: Take 1, Take All, Put 1, Put 2, Take 2, All Put. "I have never seen one of these Take/put dice with flat ends "Approx 3.7cms x 2.3cms " Unpacked weight is 150g." |
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Rolling
log. As the seller said, "THIS OFFERING IS FOR
A HEAVY SOLID BRASS ROLLING PUT & TAKE GAME THAT LOOKS
TO ME TO HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE TRENCHES OR BY A NOVICE MACHINE
OPERATOR. " The 6 sides read in this order: take all, P 1, take 1, all put, take 2, P 2. I bought it. Looks nice, well-made exceot for the "engravings." 1-1/8", 2.5 ounces (74 grams). |
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These are Put and Take
punch boards
and
punch cards. Put and Take 1938 catalog page here.
Rules: most non-Put and Take punch boards were so many cents per play. For example, on a 5� board, the player would put up 5-cents, and the reault would be losing it, winning $.05 (thus breaking even), or winning $.10, $.25. $1.00. etc. But Put and Take punch boards were a little more complex/varied. A typical one would have the player risk not a single amount, but rather risk 1 to 5 pennies. Each punch would mimic a regular Put and Take game. The player would punch one of the unpunched spots and follow the instructions printed on the punched paper: put up (give to the house) 1 to 5 pennies, or win (take from the house to add to his stake) 1 to 5 pennies or more, sometimes up to $1.00! |
Page from Shure's Novelty Catalog -- Put & Take punch boards. Click here for a larger picture of the page. |
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This neat little
punchboard has a picture of
the whole
family enjoying a put and
take game!. The seller
describes the punchboard as
" Unused 1935. Board is
6" by 4-3/8" by 5 /8" full color printed,
boys and girls playing dreidel
game, with spinner, 300 punches,
green, red and white boarders.
Back has game title Put & Take, Gradner
Guarenteed Salesboard,
serial numbered, operator number,
guarenteed, Made by Gardner
& Co 2209 Archer Ave Chicago.
Has punch, paper cover, split , punch
present. Has red, white, blue,
NRA Eagle Member US, for national recovery
act, 1935."
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Another
nice punchboard. Very attractive. 7.5 x 8.5 inches. Here
you may lose 5 or 10 cents, but can win between 5 cents and a whole
dollar. The eBay dealer wanted a total of $30, so I passed. |
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Nice little Put &
Take
punchboard. It
went for $17 on eBay,
August 2010. To
play with puchboards like this
one, the customer would
have to have at least
5 cents because if the punch
resulted in a loss for him
(a "put"), he could lose anywhere
from 1-cent to 5-cents.
If he won (a "take"), it would
be from 5-cents to $1.00, as noted
on the board. The eBay seller described the item as: " Antique Punch Board, unused. "Odd Pennies Put and Take". Board measures 6 1/2" X 6 3/4" and is just over 1/2" thick. Board has rounded corners with light wear along the edges and corners from storage. Metal punch is still factory sealed in the back and the model/serial # sticker is intact." |
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Odd Penny Put &
Take. Punchboard. Only 4" x 5.5." In the "Take" section of the punchboard, at the upper right, it says "TAKE" 1, 2, 5 or 10 bars if you win. The bars say "Elmer's, New Orleans, GOLD BRICK," the name of the candy bar. |
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Another
Put and Take trade stimulator
punchboard
I own. Per the dealer: "Very nice vintage circa 30's-40's 120 hole Put and Take Punchboard game.These were found in bars and general stores. Someone would punch a hole with the key and a slip of paper would push through. The person would either owe the house .10-.25 or win .25-1.00. The game would net the house a profit of $7.00. Everything fits inside the two peice red plastic case (about 2 x 3 inches)." |
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Illegal
Put & Take punchboard
"trade stimulator"
disguised as a common
match box. Really great
item. It would be left
on the counter of a store
near the cash register. When the
customer is given change,
he is given the opportunity
to make a small wager
with the change. He can push
the punchboard through the matchbox
and punch out a paper which
tells him whether he lost 10,
15 or 25 cents, or whether he won
25, 50 or 100 cents! It is,
of course, disguised as a harmless
match box so the police and bluenoses
will ignore it in plain
sight, while those "in the know,"
or known to the owner, will spot it
for gambling. Actually such disguised
punchboards were probably well known, but
kept "disguised" so as not to ostentatiously
force the sight of them on
children and others. The instruction sheet tells the store owner that the customer will win ("take") 12 times, lose ("put") 48 times, with a net profit to the owner of $3.50 from 60 punches. The dealer described it as, "UNPUNCHED PUT & TAKE 60 HOLE PUNCHBOARD IN A MATCH BOX -- Great little item is 2-1/4" x 1-3/8" x 5/8" and slides into a match box (Protecto wooden cover) - Unpunched and comes with a little instruction sheet" |
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Jar of Put & Take
pull-tabs. I "won" this on eBay. The jar is
some 6" tall. There must be over 200 pull-tabs
inside. In this picture
I show the number of pull-tabs I had to pull open before I opened my first
"take" pull tab. At the top of the
picture, I show two unopened pull-tabs, and below
that is the "take" pull tab. |
"Lucky Steve" Put and Take pull tab tickets, 1950. Advertisement for pull tabs, 1950 advertisement. |
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About 9 x 9 inches. Risk pennies, win cigarette packs or Grabow pipes. |
8x 5," made by by Brewer, dated 1922." |
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Put & Take Push card. 6 x 7 inches. |
Vintage Hamilton Midget 100 Punchboard Punch Board. 2-9/16 inches x 4-3/16 x 5/8 in. |
Top Prize: one tin of 50 cigarettes. |
Top prize: $3.00. |
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"My Pal Tommy" Punch Board." 9-1/2" x 5" x 1." |
300-hole Put and Take board |
10. Musical Records, Sheet Music and Postcards -- put and take-related back |
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Wow,
click here
to hear this YouTube
jazz-gypsy swing sound composition by Joe Venuti's Blue Four's
group: "Put and Take" (1929),
Eddie Lang on
the guitar. It is tune #4,
side 2, on the record label pictured
to the left. It is on Volume 7 of the Odeon Swing Music Series. You may buy "Put And Take" on Google Play, iTunes, eMusic, and AmazonMP3. Related to the two below. You can even have a "Put and Take" musical ringtone! (Problem loading the page, Aug 2014.) Click here to add it to your ringtone for free. (Aug 2014: domain has expired!) ================== Aug 2014: just discovered Joe Venutis Blue Four Put And Take Version 1 . I found this version to be very inferior to the one at the top of this row. |
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"Put and Take"
fox trot!
-- Artist - Joe Venuti's Blue Four,
Label - Parlophone - R 973, Side One -
Put And Take, Side Two - Dallas BluesRecord
Size: 10 Inch
Sub-Genre: Big Band/Swing,
Speed: 78rpm. |
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"Put
and Take," (1922; composer, Silberman; Conductor,
G W Byng) delightful Music Hall-type ditty
-- lyrics and instrumentals -- sung by Harry Fay.
You can hear it on YouTube. "Put and take, put and take, put and take, what a funny little game is put and take. First you lose, then you win; that's the time when you GRIN, then you have another little spin... .. Yes, that is the game that keeps you wide awake. What a game, never fails, all the convicts in the jail, they all play put and take" -- words from the song. You can read all the words to the complete song here. Ubiquitous recording artist, Harry Fay made hundreds of records, mainly for Zonophone, Cinch, Parlophone and Imperial labels. Thanks to Marianne Jager for finding this song and production data. |
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"Put and Take"
blues!
-- JOHNNY DUNN'S ORIGINAL
JAZZ HOUNDS - PUT AND TAKE
/ MOANFUL BLUES, Columbia A3579...."This
classic by Johnny Dunn was
recorded in 1922. .. .... Speed:
78 RPM .. .....Record Size:
10., per eBay seller" It's been revived in the album "That Devilin' Tune: A Jazz History (1895-1950)," Vol. 1 (1895-1927) October 4, 2011 . See here. ====================== I believe you can also hear Dunn's "Put and Take" here, for free -- at -23.38 in the music expansion bar at the bottom of the page. |
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Wonderful Put
and Take theme
on a sheet music cover,
on eBay August 2009, bid up to $106.00.
I don't
own it, came in second.
"Sheet music. PUT
AND TAKE is a song about gambling
away his money playing
Put and Take. Copyright
1921. 1/2" tear through
all pages top left (in the "U").
Light fold in the center.
Six pages." |
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"Stop--Rest a While"--song--(1921,
Brymn/Gilbert, from show PUT
AND TAKE). Notice the small
put & take spinner right under the words
"PUT AND TAKE." |
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More old Put
and Take sheet music. Sold
on eBay, Oct 2009, by bixokeh,
who described
it as, "Scarce sheet music
for "My June Love" from the stage
production "Put and Take"
Music by Spencer Williams,
lyrics by Irvin Miller,
published by Perry Bradford Music,
1921." I own one of these from
the "Put and Take" stage production
-- virtually same cover, though
mine has the sheet music for "Nervous
Blues," not "My June Love." "Put and Take" was a black-oriented musucal review. More on it here. �Put and Take� was an African American two act revue that opened at the Town Hall in New York on August 23, 1921. The critics praised the nineteen-member female chorus (also 8 males). John Martin wrote that it surpassed any "chorus of white girls on Broadway this season or for many seasons past." The World wrote: "They never stop dancing..how can a girl croon a love song when she's gasping for breath?". The Globe: "After viewing the blas� slouch of many of our Broadway queens, it is a relief to see..real snap and verve." Unfortunately, the show was a failure. |
"PUT'N TAKE BLUES"
-- BARBER KEESEY RARE ANTIQUE 1920 SHEET MUSIC. |
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Spin-Golf metal tops. "The game has 5 cast metal teetotum spinning tops which represent 5 different golf clubs and which are spun to obtain the result of each stroke." These tops are made variously in aluminum, brass, etc. Click here for a larger picture. |
Arbeco Tip Top Golf Set. Click here to see a bigger picture. Made of metal (lead?). The seller said, "THERE ARE 5 GAME SPINNERS, A DRIVER THAT IS 8 SIDED, THE OTHER FOUR ARE 6 SIDED AND ARE MARKED, MID IRON, MASHIE, MASHIE NIBLIC AND PUTTER. ALL ARE MARKED PATENT PENDING AND HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE "SHOT". AS AN EXAMPLE THE DRIVER HAS YARDAGES AND OF COURSE "OUT OF BOUNDS" WHICH IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHOTS. THE MID IRON HAS YARDAGES AND "IN TRAP" AND "FLUB". SEE, IT'S JUST LIKE REAL GOLF. THE PUTTER HAS A 1 PUTT, 2 2PUTTS, 2 3 PUTTS AND EVEN A 4 PUTT." I have a set, but no box. Mine are about 40 mm long, weigh 16 grams each, except one is 20 grams. | |
Spinder Golf. Another picture here . Spinner weighs about 40 grams. Owned by M. Jager. |
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Erotic "Spin the Bottle." Two plastic 6-sided tops, each 5 grams, 1-5/8 inches long. The players would take turns spinning both tops. The red top signifies actions (verbs), such as kiss, lick (note the tongue shown on the left top), finger, massage, etc. The gray top shows the body part acted on, such as crotch (shown here on the left top), breasts, neck, ear, lips, etc. To see all 6 sides of the red top, click here. To see all 6 sides of the gray top, click here. (Feel free to email me with corrections: spelling, translations, etc.) The inscriptions are in German. The 6 sides of the red top (all action verbs): A. "Massage," fingers of both hands are pictured; B. "Knabbern" (? spelling, means nibble), lips and teeth of mouth pictured ; C. "Lecken" (lick) and long tongue is pictured; D. "Kitzdn"(?) (to tickle) and two moving fingers pictured ; E. "Kussen" (?) and three imprints from lips (kisses); and F. "Lufthauch" (air-puffs) and four whisps/feathers) (blowing?). The 6 sides of the gray top (showing the object of the action from the red top): 1. "Freie Wahl," means "free choice," so the spinner can choose what to touch on his partner (lips, ear, crotch, breast, etc.); 2. crotch; 3. ear lobe; 4. nipples; 5. neck; and 6. lips. |
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Golf Tops "Spingoff." Per
the dealer
in the
UK: "A nice vintage
boxed set of Teetotum
Spinning Tops . ... Faux
shagreen style fitted box impressed
Spingolf to the top left
corner ... Containing five
brightly coloured
tops ... which represent 5 different
golf clubs which are spun
to obtain the result of each
stroke ... Diameter of each approx
2 cm ... Length approx 4 cm ...
Width of box approx 9 cm ... Length
approx 10.5 cm ... Believe that originally
there would have been a board game
with the tops this has long gone." The five
tops read (from above): masher, mid iron,
driver brassie, mashie niblick,
and putter. Listed
for $202 buy-it-now price in May 2011. Much better picture here and here. Instructions to play here and here. Booklets and pages for the game pictured here . I purchased the set complete with box and instructions for about $100 in January 2017. |
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Miss Blanche. This put & take
with "Miss Blanche" (a cigarette
brand around 1950, same period
of the spinner) on it is in the collection
of a museum in The Netherlands There are so far
around 6 different models known. Four (including
this one) are shown in the row
below. This spinner and the ones below are
from the collectiion of Gerrit Veldhoen. |
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"Walter Johnson Baseball Game"
spinner. Below is the "Walter
Johnson Baseball Game"
spinner and pieces -- items I see on
eBay from time to time. The eBay
seller said, "These hard-to-find [?] pieces
come from an early baseball board game featuring
Washington Senator Walter "Big Train"
Johnson (Career: 1907-1927, [one of the most famous
baseball pitchers of all time]. He was
inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1936.) "Spinning top (operates like a dreidel): made of a heavy metal, perhaps lead. Measures 2-1/2" in length; 1-3/8" in width. Has baseball terminology listed around its sides, telling players where to go on the playing board. Top of lid is imprinted: "Walter Johnson Baseball Game ~ Washington, D. C. ~ Made in U.S.A. ~ Patented." Lid screws on and off easily so tokens can be stored inside of spinner. 10 Aluminum (?) tokens or coin game playing pieces: 5/8" in diameter; 2 cm. thick; blank on back sides." There are 20 sides (each with a baseball action, some of which repeat themselves, like "ball,""strike," and "infield out.") on the spinner. Going clockwise: home run, double play, ball, single, infield out, foul, 2 base hit, fly out, infield out, ball, single, strike, fly out, error, infield out, strike, 3 base hit, ball, fly out sac, and stole base. I have done research on the game. It was published in 1925. I believe there are at least two versions of the game. Both have tokens that are blank on the reverse side. One version has a head picture of Johnson on one side (see in row below); the other version has an image of a full figure batter (click here); I'd trade one of my tokens (with Johnson's head shown) for one with the full batter shown. To view the entire game, box and all, click here. |
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Will & Finck gaffed (weighted) dice top. Wonderful, rare, cheating, brass dice top by that famous gambling supply house in San Francisco, California. 19th century item. Seller on eBay was asking for $700. Seller said, "This is a very rare original circa 1880s brass gaffed spinner by Will & Finck of San Francisco. ... About 2" tall, 1 1/8" across and has six sides with dice numbers on them. The top piece comes off and there are six holes that were used to put small steel bearing in to cheat with. The round disk is hallmarked " Will & Finck S.F. Cal. ". |
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Caf� Terminus.
"( TERMINIS was a Roman God for protecting
the border so far as I know.) Terminus was a very common name for Hotel - Restaurant - Pub/caf� in The Netherlands - Belgium and France," per Gerrit V, his spinner, c. 1950s. |
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General Tire. General
Tire began its car tire brand about 1920 in the US and
began operating in
AMSTERDAM about 1930. Circa 1950's. Top
of Gerrit V. |
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Hotel Noord Brabant. "Was
after
WW 2 with 2 locations in the Netherlands
, both are mentioned on the
top: s 'Hertogenbosch en Utrecht.
Around 1970 both Hotels changed the name , because
they are sold to another group, per Gerrit V,
his top. |
Hoboken de Bie& Co, Rotterdam, Netherlands. Gin distillery. More dots of dice. 1920-1940. | |
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Great looking dice top. On
eBay auction March 2012. It
went for about $50.00. |
Wood-4 sides-numbers. I don't know what this was used for. A dreidel has 4 sides, but has outcomes/commands in Hebrew. Spinners with numbers usually have 6 sides for the 6 sides of a die. Dealer said: "Here is a put-and-take wooden dreidel. The body is natural wood with black numbers 1 2 3 4 on the sides. The spinner end and handle were painted green and looks like the wood was then glazed over all. Measures approx. 1 3/4" long x 5/8" square." | |
A Put & Take converted to a dice Teetotum.
This was regular 6-sded Put & Take, then holes were drilled into
the sides to make a dice-style teetotum, sides 1 to 6. See
the old word "TAKE" in the right-most picture. Clever, unusual. |
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Italian. June
2011, I saw
this on British eBay. Dealer
said, "This little
brass game spinner
which is Italian in origin
is an example that I have not
had or seen before and over
the years I had several different
brass game spinners but
I have never had this example before
. The game spinner is marked with
the numbers 1, 2 , 3, 4, 5 and the word
SARTI on the sides . On the top it is stamped
MESSICANO. "Messicano Sarti" in Italian means "Mexican Tailors" Gerrit emailed me this info: "...Messicano Sarti is a Liquer brand - .... about the first advertising around 1922 Messicano L'apperitivo Sarti." |
Prango, 0 to 9. Rare. Somewhat bi-level, but numbers, red and black, from 0 to 9 are read through peephole from the top of the top. U.K seller says "THE SPINNER MEASURES APPROX 30mm HIGH X APPROX 25mm DIAMETER." PAT. No 588285. .... Prango is a brand, a cocktail mixer for fruity tastes, etc. |
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Six-sided 70, 80, etc. 6 sides in this order: 70 110 80 100 90 and 120. Light-weight (aluminum?) 10 grams, 1-1/4 inch. Spins well. Dealer who sold it to me called it "vintage." |
Playing Cards/Poker Hand. Looks like the 6 sides are the highest value playing cards in poker: Ace, King (R), Queen (D), Jack (V), Ten and Nine. It looks like this was made simply by adding a handle to the bottom of the bi-level one in Section 4 of this page. |
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Five tops. From Gerrit
V. The second from the left (HAX) is a football toto top. The letters mean: Home, Away and Draw (H = Home; A = away; and X = Draw), (like those from Argentina L, V and E). |
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"SOCCER FOOTBALL. Rare 6-SIDED
BRASS SPINNER. SIDES READ: L, V & E,
TWO TIMES EACH -- L FOR HOME, V FOR AWAY, AND
E FOR DRAW. IT MEASURES 1.25 INCHES LONG AND 0.75 INCHES WIDEST. ORIGINAL PATINA. Weight: 30 grams." May 2013, $100. These sports tops are made to predict the outcome of football matches. I believe they are used to "select" teams ("a decision maker") prior to making bets on the teams. |
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Another Football Spinner. "Football
spinner from Argentina .... The letters are
upside down. It spins well, only, the handle is too
short for an easy spin. L= Local, E= Empate (draw) and V= visitors." Owned by Marianne Jager. |
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Sports betting/selections-- X 1 2.
Got this from a UK seller Lighting throws
the color off. Actual color is golden-yellow
brass. (See 2nd row down.) 1-1/8," 20 grams. Spins very poorly. Six sides: X 1 2 1 2 1. (Local (1) - Draw (X) - Guest (2).) |
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Football top. The spinner
messures 2,9
x 1 cm. Top of Marianne J. |
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Sports team bet selector: Home and Away teams. Measures 1-1/8", 27 grams. The 6 sides are Home 1, Away 2, Draw X, Spin Again ?, Home 1, Away 2. There is an actual question mark there: "Spin Again?". Click here for a clear view of the "Spin Again ?" side of Marianne Jager's top. I believe they are used to "select" teams ("a decision maker") prior to making bets on the teams. |
More Sports Teams tops. From Greece. Plastic. New old stock. See row above. |
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Soccer ball top, 3-sided. Upper part is round like a soccer ball, but the bottom has three flat sides (see 2nd picture) so it always lands showing 1, 2 or X. Made in Italy. |
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Six London Football Clubs. Per seller: "A vintage Brass Put & Take Spinning Top, inscribed with the names of six London football clubs. The clubs are; Arsenal, Chelsea, Clapton Orient, Fulham, Spurs and West Ham. Because of the inclusion of Clapton Orient, I would say that the Top dates to the early part of last Century." British auction. It went for $101 in Jan 2015. |
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Food/dining top. Owned by T. Dougall. 6 sides: beef, dine out, pizza, dine out, chicken, dine out. |
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United Kingdom.
Top of Gerrit Veldhoen, Netherlands. Marked with dots (like dice) and TIMMINS Co Ltd SLOUGH BUCK'S. "IS PROBABLY FROM THE COMPANY TIMMINS METALWORKING which started in 1881." per Gerrit. |
Dice top. From the U.K. 7/8th inch high and wide. Like a regular die, the opposite sides total seven. |
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Dice top.
Seller in U.K. describes it as "Beautiful large solid brass
teetotum or spinning top dice. This teetotum has indent type numbers on
the flats." He measures it at 100 grams and 52 mm (about 2 inches). |
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Dice top w/ adverting from France. Note the deeply embossed dice spots. Seller describes it as, "old bar top coffee bar brass metal advertising ROSSI de." ("ROSSI" is on one side.) |
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Sevens, unusual. Seller says, �Large six sided ox bone teetotum from the 19th century. Total length 68 mm, the drum 30 mm long and 30 mm diameter. Extensive decoration in black and red. The six faces as follows: 1/6, 3/4, 5/2, 6/1, 4/3 and 2/5�. Unusual, I never saw before, shows the 6 ways dice can pair up to total 7. |
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Colors instead of numbers (the top
on right)! Saw this on eBay April 2012.
The one on the right has colors instead
of the usual inscriptions. Neat! Sold at auction, April 2012, $69 plus postage. |
Colors. About one inch long. Six sides, 6 colors, one of which is missing. I own one that looks identical to the one pictured here. It is 15 grams, about 1-1/8 inch (28 mm). |
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Numbers w/ coins. Saw on
U.K. eBay June 2012. Per Dealer: "Trench art spinning top dice or teetotum made of solid brass. It is hexagon shaped with a ww1 half penny on the top with the date 1916 and one on the underside with the date 1918. It has the numbers 1 to 6 on the flats with opposites that add up to 7. It measures about 40mm from the point to the top and about 21mm across the flats. It weighs 30g." |
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Numbers w/ coin. Dealer:
"Vintage spinning top dice or teetotum made of solid
brass and copper. It is hexagon
shaped with inlaid copper on the top and a domed
penny on the underside bearing the date 1916. This
dice has the numbers 1 to 6 on the copper top with
opposites that add up to 7. It measures just over 42mm
from the point to the top and just under 35mm across the
flats. It weighs about 45g. ." |
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Numbers w/ coins. Per
dealer: "VINTAGE..Portuguese 1974 50 Centavos.... TEETOTUM Brass, Copper & Pennies Spinning Dice ... Used condition, Height approx. 43mm, Width widest points approx. 24mm, Spins well." |
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Fortune Telling. I
had this on my Non-English Put and Take page, but an Andy
in Vermont made this sensible
suggestion: "I'd say this was used for fortune
telling rather than gambling: "Questionable;
Never; Maybe; No; Yes; You bet!" (The six sides read: QUST - NVR - MAYB - NO - YES - UBET) |
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Netherlands advertising dice
top. Oude Schie is a real estate firm established
in 1926 in Rotterdam. The sides read: 1 to 5, and
Oude Schie for 6. Top of Marianne G. |
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Unsure once. Probably an old
Put & Take, but not certain. Australian seller
says, June 2012, "A VERY FINE LITTLE TURNED BRASS
SPINNING TOP DIE. FOUR LETTER INSTED OF NUMBERS. M , N
, T AND P. MIGHT HAVE BELONGED TO A GAME. THE ITEM IS 22
MM LONG." Maltese . The markings are MNPT. See row below this one. ... I show this on my non-English web page as well. |
Maltese: MNPT. Thomas Dougall says "Maltese . The markings are MNPT: � Mezzo (half) � Niente (nothing) � Pone (put) � Tutto (take And are derived from Italian. Similarly marked tops can be found in parts of Italy as well." Another Malta top here . I show this on my non-English web page as well. |
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12 sides. What is this? It sold for $185 plus postage on eBay in Oct 2015, seller in New Jersey, U.S. Likely it is a Put and Take (Dutch or German? Put = geef or gib. Take = neem or nimm.), so I show this also on my non-English page. Saw this on eBay Oct 2015, Seller said, "An estate sale find! A 12 sided Brass spinner. NA appears on one side, AG is on the opposite side. Following NA appears the combinations of G1, N2, G3, N5, G10. Following the AG are N1, G2, N3, G5, N10. I believe it is for a game of Put & Take and is called a Teetotum. I have no idea how to play, but it certainly makes an interesting collectible". |
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Made with American coin. "
SPINNING DICE," seller said, "VINTAGE AMERICAN
1924 INDIAN HEAD / BUFFALO TEETOTUM Brass & Copper
... Height approx. 43mm Width widest points approx. 25mm ... Spins very well." |
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Lawson modern tops. P.T.
Lawson Co. is currently making hand made, machined, one-of-a-kind
spinning tops. You might want to
look at some of them here. |
bone, 8 sides, 3.25" 250 pixels |
1-6, 45 mm, brass, UK sixpence |
only 20 mm, made of bone |
"Knox," per Maxim
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Lovely. |
Advertising dice spinner. Dice dots on all 6 sides, except HULSTKAMP is on what would be the 6th side. Seller: "Dutch liquor factory Hulstkamp." |
1903 postcard |
4 sides, 4 suits |
Unusual: 8 sides, spots 1 thru 8! 1.35," 29 grams. |
MARKED "SLOUGH BUCKS TIMMINS CO LTD." 1.25." |
Roman numerals 1-6 on the flats |
From Marianne Jager web page. |
nice |
1886 Queen Victoria penny, 38 mm high, 33 mm wide. |
44 mm high, 37 mm wide |
1 1/8" tall x 11/16" wide sides: 70, 80, 90, 100, 110 & 120 |
3.5cm. |
Spinning dice, Marianne Jager collection. Includes the one on the left. |
1917 farthing coin is part of top. It's 64mm high and 75mm in diameter. Flats numbered 1 to 6. |
Bronze, 30mm, 34g. 63 GBP eBay June 2013. |
British race horses: Soranus, Tishy, Orpheus, Monarch, Alan Breck, Leighton, Yutoi and Shaun Spadah. |
French 10 & 20 franc domed coins (one coin is at bottom) Height approx. 50mm |
Yes/No top, made in Italy, for decision making. Six sides: yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. It is sitting on felt pouch. |
TEETOTUM 1.75 inches long. |
Numbered 1 to 8, 90 mm diameter, 73 mm high, brass. |
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made by Guss Parkin for Marianne J. His eBay listings page. |
another top made by Guss Parkin for Marianne J. |
Nice. |
IRISH FREE STATE CHICKEN PINGN 1928 Pennies |
8 sides, numbered 1 to 8. 32 mm, 22 grams |
6 sides like dice, 58 mm high; WW I German coin, All brass |
2 inches tall, 6 sides
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62 mm, dots add up to 7 on each side. Oct 2014 went for 202 GBP! |
Marianne Jager's team selector top for Sports Betting. The top is shown in one of the rows above. |
bone, sides numbered 1 to 6 in black dots with red decoration, 48 mm. |
from German website |
6 sides/numbers |
smallwood and mother of pearl, 8-1/4 x 4 inches. |
bone, 45 mm long, $196 auction |
Cricket spinner game. Other sides are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6. |
Bone dreidel. |
12. Different finials (handles) back |
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went for 68 GBP June 2016 eBay. Six sides: P,A,pP,N,P,T. |
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